You do realize that this is around 300pages at size 12 font correct?
And you only made 3 mistakes, DAM dude your good. And then you even foudn those syntax errors how good of you. Gota give you credit.



I'll save you the looking around, You dont need one for perl, Its a script, just like HTML you dont need a compiler it compiles as it runs. Now maybe you can be a MASTER at perl now that you can figure out how ot run your PERL scripts.

Deimos, i want you to know this. Half of the stuff your talking about prolly wont be done. By the time you finish this server there will prolly be a EQEmu 2 for EverQuest2, i will be playing EQ2 and many others prolly, it comes out in 2 months, if it is ganna take you 5 months for a login server then jeeze i dont wanna imagine what it will take for each class to have thier own little zone... and for you to make about 321135414657816571 planets. I only have a few things to say about this.

1. It may not be done.
2. Noone will wanna play when EQ2 comes out.
3. It prolly wont be done.
4. It will not be done.
5. Noone will want to work on a project that is ganna take about 3 years just to finish. I know i wont.
6. You gatta look at reality and not your dreams
7. That is all.


.........The Greatest Creation :arrow: Bafoon X

That is what i mean about this.

So, what does your 12000 lines of code, 3 error program do?

i agree with everything here(besides the eq2 shit)..

deimos.. dont waste your time, or be a fool like cleaver. even if you do have "the greatest programmer in the world" *cough*bullshit*cough* this would all be a huge waste of time. why would you want to waste weeks and weeks and months and months for... a game? eq? other people? its all pointless, and you will regret it when you could have been doing something more productive with your life. eqemu is just as addictive as norm eq(developing a server that is, playing..depends), peeps get way into it. I was there for a bit, but snapped out of it :)

all in all.. ITS NOT WORTH IT... especially if your going to use your own loginserver. eqemu has all the playerbase, not you. so why waste so much time when there is a chance that it wont even be that successful

this applies to everyone, before you make an unbelievably custom server, THINK ABOUT IT>>THINK AHEAD.

hmmmm k im done.

*Claps Proudly*

Sry all, I just want this server to be good. I don't know, whenever I do something I "OverDo" it if you know what I mean. I am writing Code and Lore in-class on my palm pilot, that is how bad it is right now, hehe. I just wanted to make a server that people would enjoy and that you all would play on =(. That is all I have ever wanted to do.
When I was first a GM, I worked long and hard on zones so that people would enjoy them, then I worked long and hard on PERL. That 12000 line PERL code was for a buffing NPC. It also had a casino in it. 54 Different Buffs. The price raised for every 10 levels you gained as well, and all the prices varied depending on what spell you wanted. I worked for 2 weeks on that code, trying to make it all sound perfect. Different things he said, exc.

People have called me an "over-achiever." Maybe I should wake up and smell the coffee. I haven't done it yet, I don't know if I ever will. I just wanted people to really like this server =(. When I thought up the storyline, I "Knew" it would make a good server. I just want you all to have a fun and good time =(. I am being constantly criticized, hated, insulted, and so on, for trying to give you guys something. I am not trying to say, "Hey look, I can make a cool server, so I am better than everyone!"
Also, I am trying to make the work fun for the staff. Personally, I like writing code, making zones, doing all of that stuff. I like working my butt off. I don't know about the rest of you. One of the reasons I took C++ was so that I could make this server... One of the reasons I studied PERL for hours was so that I could do it, one of the reasons for the commands.
I just want to make something nice for you all. Some of you are now saying I am going to be wasting my life, fine, let me waste my life. My life is game programming, that is it, as well as school, for the time being. That is my whole life. I am in School Clubs right now, only so I can visit other country's and get free food, as well as do some programming, aka, FBLA. My joy is teaching other people how to do things, knowing that other people are having fun from my work, and trying to make things easier for others.
Right now I am miserable and am working less and less on The Path of Chaos Server, because I am not having fun creating it, which is very odd. Every 5 minutes, I need to go on here and talk with people, and try to explain things, otherwise, I start losing staff, exc.

I just want to make this the best server possible for you. If you hate the lore, which is what the server will be based off of. If you hate all the stuff I am doing with it, and I mean a mass amount of people, then I will stop the project. What is the point of doing something and spending lots of money from my own pocket if no one will enjoy the work my staff and I put forth =(.

I know how much work it is, and so does all my staff. I told them before they joined the staff how much it would be. They accepted it and came. The goal here is not to just become the best server in the world, or crush other server's, the goal here is to make you all happy, and have fun. It isn't to make loads of money, it isn't to make you all made, not to show-off, just to make it so you guys can have fun and get away from the real world once and awhile.

I don't consider this wasting my life. I am learning too. I really have no idea how to make a login-server, I never said I did know how, but I am learning all of the Eqemu code right now. I didn't even know what PERL was 1 month ago, but now I am a pro at it. I don't ask you guys questions that often because I usually figure things out on my own. Questions are my last resort. My dad is probably going to help me with login-server, exc. I also am planning to get eqclient still because it will make the experience of the server better. Also, EQ can't really do anything because I am not making a profit off of it. The copyright law says you are distributing it and such. I am not distributing it.

I just really need support right now, and I am getting 0, I am in the negatives now. If you guys hate the entire idea, I will end the project, just like that. I just want you all to have a good time, get away from the ordinary EverQuest and enter a whole new world. New Classes, new races (once I figure that part out), excetra. I am willing to do it all for you guys, because knowing people appreciate and enjoy my work is the greatest thing anyone can give me. My staff are excited because of a lot of the things I want to do, and that is the only thing supporting me, or I would have disbanded and ended the entire project awhile back. All I am getting is negative feedback, unless it is from the staff.

Think about this guys. Ask around. If the players of EQEmu dont want this server, then I don't need to waste my time. If they do, then no one is wasting there time for nothing, we know people will enjoy our work.

Ok. I'm going to lay this out very simple for you.

Your current goals are unattainable. You _need_ to think smaller, at least for a start. If you have such a broad vision, you'll never get any one piece completed. Once you have a base and attainable goals, people will join and help you more and more, and slowly those distant goals will become closer. Hell, I'll even help out if I can (I'm a busy geek)

I think you have the potential to do something great, but you honestly need to scale down your goals, if only for the time being. You have great ideas, but you don't have the skills neccesary to implement them... you will if you listen to us and simply take your time on this rather than rushing into it.

I hope you succeed, and if you need assistance, don't hesitate to ask me. I'm always available at #phpgeeks or #freaku, both on irc.freenode.net.


Happy Hacking,
Lord Daeken M. BlackBlade
(Cody Brocious)

I agree with daeken, it's all i've been trying to get you to see. Unless you scale down your goals to something very very small and SHOW you can do something. ANYTHING, you wont get a lot of support in your massive impossible project.

You mean the same buffing script that was posted in Quest's section a week or so ago?

Jeeze, I did scale down my goals. Lol, the first goal is to get site up, next is to get login-server going a little bit. Also we are looking for a nice voluntary host for staff testing, lol.
I said these long ago, that we were taking this one step at a time, lol. If you were just saying that, we should all feel kinda stupid, becuz I said earlier in forums about, with my phrase, "One step at a time." Lol, and I shuold feel stupid for not seeing you guys say this. Thank you a lot guys, I feel a whole lot better now, =). We are now all on the same page, thx guys =), lol. Maybe I didn't say that on forums, but I said it in IRC to staff constantly to calm down stress levels and such, eheh, they expected to do everything all at once, lol. No, I would be a crap good for nothing leader if I did it like that. O well, hope to get a lot of input. The project is on =D.

Thats fine. but a web-site for the server should be the next to last step. Actually HAVING a server should be your first one. And spamming in IRC for flash developers should also be on the very end of your list.

Reminds me of the phantom console in its early years (is it out yet? think its coming closer). All smoke and mirrors to attempt to get people interested. They didnt even have an office, just a fake corporate address and sponged a bunch of money out of investors.

Another little piece of advice... never post anything about a project on the forums until you have something to show, or will within hours. Otherwise you'll get laughed at for quite a while... trust me, I know (though I very strongly doubt anyone here has been around long enough to have seen that.. only ones that have a chance of remembering are Trumpcard, Image, Hogie, and BS and all of them are gone lol)

Either way, good luck, and stop distracting me from coding :P

Thx guys =).

Taking website first so we can start posting information since we can't find a host, lol =P. I would host it, but I can't, router =(. O well, tx, and gl with code and stuffs all =)

didnt mean anything like that.. but, all i have to say is ITS NOT WORTH IT, and that is a fact <---

you can still make AWSOME servers without wasting SO MUCH damn time and doing SOOO much work. and again with the loginserver... bad idea, and pointless heh. <--anyone else agree with me here?

I'm just mildly confused that a buffing NPC took more lines of code than EQemu's entire client and NPC process together.

Are you sure you didn't exhaggerate that by a few zeroes? ;)

Beyond that, let's cut the stupid and silly and so on. If you want to doubt wheter he's speaking the truth about all this ambitious stuff, do so, but name-calling is pointless.

1) Who are you to question his motives? If he is happy doing what he's doing, let him be.
2) You keep stating your opinion as fact, which aside from being horribly arrogant is very annoying.
3) No, I don't agree with you. Building a loginserver is a great way to learn more about the low-level technology that EQEmu is based on, and a fun weekend project.

I am with you, the staff think it is pointless too. I just asked them. Not doing a login server.

I am doing all that work though, but the loginserver, noooooooooooo. The work I am doing so people will always have something to do, and never get bored... That is why people like EQLive, there is always something going on, somewhere to go =), quests to do, guild ranks to achieve, lots of stuffs.

Thanks for input guys, LoginServer = No
Rest of Stuffs = Yes
=)
Also Wiz, it did. I did not exagerate. I can send you the codefile if you would like to see for yourself. It took me 1 week to write =). It will grow also =D.

get a life and you will understand me a bit more.

anyways.. i dont like fighting or drama. so this is my last post for this thread. goodluck to you, you will need it.

verant barley pulled that one off, and alot of big budget modern mmorpg's cant even do this, you have no chance.

Well bud, im with ya on this project if you cut down a bit more. Like Maybe put in the story line.

There were millions of planets Norrath Found, and many of them were Destroyed when norrath was found, The Priests of Choas Hated every living thing. So Norrath fought against the Priests that Brought The Planet of Norrath and The Moon of <Blank> to make the Gates of Teleportation <Nexus>. When Norrath Fought he did it Bravely and then dies willing to save this planet. But, When Norrath Fell to the floor dropping the last of his might he made the Living things on Norrath. So, with these living Creatures <Races> Became a Army united to kill and rescue the Planet and Moon of the Galaxy. But that is not my story to tell.................


You see, just add some content to break down the story a bit.
I dont really like the fact of each class having ther own starting zone. Cuz 3 years is along time, and i will be driving by then.

Just think about what your saying, and Yes Bro, You Gatta Smell the coffee, its Hot!.

Is this post dead.....

are you dead ??????? who knows

bafoon, u really aint helping anyways on project

so shhh :evil:

how am i supposed to help, when there is no server to help with.
Answer that and then ill tell you if i am dead or not.

I take that as a no.

WOW.....2 days and Deimos hasn't spoken, IRC as well.

Whats going on here?

I'm seriously going to lock this post if you keep posting "ARE YUO THAR?!?!?!?1ONE ONE"

He'll post when/if he returns.

sorry melwin /frown

I haven't been on lately and won't be one really for a couple more days. Visiting my grandmother, she only visits once a year =). Also, before that, was working all night long on something for school, hehe. I'll be fully back on Tuesday though, no worries. Probably won't be here Friday either, Weird Al in Concert =).

well, I have gotten 0 emails so far... I haven't had time to work on server source. Next weekend, or the weekend afterwards, or somewhere, I am going to be getting tons of help from someone I know, with the intro and evertyhing =D.

We still need way more staff. With the number we have now, we will be lucky to get done in 40 years, lol. We need 30-40 people. If you want to help =), just send me an email at xteam_leader@yahoo.com or go to IRC and talk with Tzwizard. The channel is #TPOC.

News:
Tzwizard is now a Server Administrator
Cutters is now Project Leader of the site and is now project leader of cinematics as well

hmmmmm.......in 40 years ill be dead lol.

Were we supposed to feel sad?

=D

relorm, that is why we need a bigger staff =).

The real question is:
Who will be a staff of the Path of Chaos Server?

Some of the current Positions:
Project Developer
Project Administrator
Server Administrator

But, we are still looking for people that are good with these things:
2 More Flash Experts
10 More In-Game Spawners/etc
10 More Quest Writers
15 More OpenZone
10 More C++

If we had those numbers of people join, the staff would be perfect =).

Good luck with that.

I am going to need it =P, lol

The only person that seems to have actual working knowledge of OpenZone is kahn, and he is busy with EQA (he only uses OA to convert it to s3d too, he doesnt use it to build zones).

If you want just openzone builders, the zones wont be that good.

I beg to differ. Are u forgetting Cleaver? Richardo?
There are 20 people or so that are masters with OpenZone..
Others are like me, where they know how to use it, but they suck really bad.
The last are clueless =P.

Yes there ARE others, Kahn was just an example, my bad on wording. But I highly doubt there are 15 skilled OpenZone users that are not already on other projects. I would not go as far to say there are 20...

Im sure others agree with me on this.

20? ive seen maybe 3 or 4 ever post anything they've done. and heard nothing about or from anybody else .

There are 15-20 =D. I guess you learned something new today =) Sotonin =).

Everyone can master OZ, OZ isnt a graphic tool, and will never be designed for it, OZ is a tool that allow to sturturate a zone merging mesh/texture, it doesnt require any "art" talent. Using OZ is fairly easy, especially now since WC added online tutorial, with a little effort, all can use OZ. But if i would have to name "OZ Masters" it would be WC, Shadow-Wolf and Killspree, no more.

What will you really need ? Graphists, because even if you have an OZ Master, without mesh / texture to use under OZ, your OZ Master will be unable to make zones. And trust me talented graphists are rarest than C++ coders.

Making zones with OZ is cake, even my grand'ma can do it, making contents that will allow you to make those zones ? This is the problem, and it will be a goddamn task, im working on WoA and i intend to do totally new zones, and all i can say you if you want to do the same, is ... cya in a few years.