So you show that some people see it your way... Looks like a lot more people saw it my way... bitch :)

in fact... 3.5 million

I know what you are trying to say. What I am telling you is that your reasoning is fallacious. In a sack I have five socks, all of which are red. You say that I also have 2 blue balls (haha) in the sack, therefore there is a sock that is not red.

I am not saying laws are or are not based on individual protection. The majority may very well be based on group protection (ie: of society).

This is a question of society. Do you think that drug use, gambling, prostitution, etc. does not have an effect on a community? Do you believe that what one person does in a community does not affect another? We do not live in a vacuum. I have seen what many of these things lead to in my own family, and I am sure that is part of the reason I am against them.

Well, actually what any adult does in his/her own life certainly could have an effect on others. But, I could be giving it to your mom right now, and throw her 3 hun after i get done, and if we both agreed to it first it wouldn't affect anyone else. Hell we may be flying high on cocaine while getting it on. She takes a cab home, I bask in my glory. Who else does that damage now?

Well sure, if you want to make some hopeful assumptions, for instance: the interaction will not affect relationships with anyone else. You are effectively saying that if X agrees to Y, then X is not affected by Y. Experiences directly influence behavior, and likewise relationships. How do you know that I am stable, and will not do something extreme, like commit suicide, after learning of this?

too bad only like 1/3 the population of usa voted, too bad the rest were probably redneck illiterates like mostly everyone else that voted for bush.

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Almost forgot that for you daeath.

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I bet Daeath wears tinfoil hats all day to avoid the MIND CONTROL RAYS from the gov't. http://humme.dk/emot/tinfoil.gif http://humme.dk/emot/tinfoil.gif http://humme.dk/emot/tinfoil.gif

Posting that chart to get a rise out of someone? :D

Too bad I help develop those mind control rays for your government.

Baron, I'm sorry you were abused as a newborn - but that's still not a valid excuse for being mentally defective. You're no mind reader, so don't judge me if you 'think' (not really possible, I know) my words come from the heart or not.

Does it matter where someone bases thier values? People have made a stink about laws being based from religion, specifically christianity. Is it any better to have values imposed from parents, or someone else's life experiences? The source of one's values (religion, family, society, south park in Baron's case) doesn't matter - what matters is what our values are and if/how they are enforced apon the masses. In America, the majority decide what values are considered acceptable behavior. Why should the few decide the fate of the many? If the majority in America are 'christian', and you are anti-'christian' - tough. Deal. Move to France with all the other whiner's of the world. America may be 'Jesusland' - but look on the back of every US dollar. Isn't that why the whiteman came to this land, for religious reasons? This nation is based on religion, and it's religious-based value system will take a while to change - if it does ever. But it doesn't really matter where you base your values, only the values (and thier associated behaviors) matter.

2000 Election

2004 election


So not only did more people vote, but more people voted for Bush then in 2000, that tells me that people realise he is a good president and came out to vote for him.

As to the values, i am against abortion and for the death penalty, also being a military family, the canidates views on the military came up in my big 3 concernes, why would i vote Kerry who is against everything i believe in?


And all of the people complaining able these beliefs being forced on everyone.......well more the half the people who voted agree with them, so why should your views that are in the minarity be forced on the majority???

Alrighty. Glad someone finaly stated this straight up. WE (the minority) are not triing to force "our" views onto anyone. You can still not be gay, not have an abortion (not do drugs, not gamble, not whatever it is you don't like). We don't mind a bit. We DO mind you (the majority) thinking you have the right to force us to live our private lives by your belief system...

Do you support Seperate But Equal?

The majority of people used to.

Also, what the poster above me said.

nobody can argue with your logic of steel, that makes an excellent case, thanks for your great post. I think I will print it out.

I know I've kicked your ass when you start trying to insult instead of arguing... whine more I like it.

you're clueless if you even think that.

more people voted cause they the gay marriage ban question on the ballot which brought out the dumbshit bible humpers

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North should secede from Jesusland which is fuckin us all over and go join Canada

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and Go Illinois! we pwn u redneck states even though we have a shitload of our own rednecks in the south.

What you have just stated are views. Believing that is it okay to do drugs for recreation, for example, is a view. That is where the conflict lies. You may not feel that you are forcing these views onto anyone, but much of the opposing side feels this way. It is all about perception. Perception drives conflict, not reality. I am actually hard-pressed to call either side "the minority," as the race was so close.

I could also say that more people on the left voted because of this issue, could I not? I enjoy the posts about "dumbshit bible humpers" and "Jesusland." Let's complain about the division of the country, and then try to divide it more. I am probably stretching a bit, but I have speculated to myself on future civil war. If the mentality of both sides is to criticize and isolate the other, it wouldn't be the first time -- the geography is just different.

That is a good question. In and of itself, I do not. However, if the majority does agree with it, who is the minority to say otherwise? The minority may be in the right, but by what mechanism can that be determined?

The question that I will ask you (and I don't know the answer) is: if such laws are repealed (as "Separate but equal"), does the system of majority rule work?

So, it is your view that the oposing side feels that if anyone has the right to do drugs or marry their lover of the same sex, those views are "forced" upon them? Sounds alot like whites being forced to accept blacks as equals or men accepting women can think, thus vote on their own. Pretty bigotted viewpoint imo. Though I do believe that it is truly the direction they are comming from.

Fuck you. Do you think you sound cool or intelligent by saying 'pwn'? You just lower what anyone thinks of you, jackass.

It is what I said before: we are not in a vacuum. Example: I am a born-again Christian, trying to raise my child in a moral environment because I feel they will become a better person (more honest, etc). I am seeing what I perceive as decay in society (whether it be gay marriage or anything else). This affects my child. Define morality however you like, but the idea is the same: what one does in a society affects another. Yes, I am of the opinion that many feel that these views are being forced upon them.

Take another example: I enter into marriage. Marriage is recognized by law, but in addition I see it as a sacred institution, the foundation of society. Gay marriage weakens this insitution, thus weakening society.

This is a non sequitur in regards to gay marriage. The opinion (or law) is not that those who are gay are not equal to who are straight -- this is the implication seen by the proponents of gay marriage. The opinion is that two of the same sex should not be able to be wed. Two straight men cannot be wed; neither can two gay men. A gay man and a straight woman can. They are equal in this respect. This is different than saying that a black man or a woman is not as intelligent as a white man.

Do you support the Constitution's existence?

I don't think you are very far from the actual truth, m0oni9... I think the post-election attitudes that are surfacing are clear indicators of another 1860 era. People are becoming less tolerant of thier brother - not out of difference of skin, but in the difference of opinions / mindsets.

I see Americans getting so upset and fed up with this very issue we've been debating for several pages - how the government isn't properly representing our views - that yes, I could easily see civil war in hopes to change our political makeup.

Take into consideration also the views of foreign peoples as well. Each year America pisses off even more of the world's countries - and even though I think it was good to declare war on terrorism globally and to invade the soverignity of Iraq (could've been handled alot more effectively, however) it's made many countries feel less secure about thier independance. What I think is that foreign countries will ally together, out of jealously or insecurity, to find ways to strip the United States of its uncontested global superpower (not taking China into consideration).

Hope y'all in Jesusland know how to properly charge, reload, and unjam an M16-A2/AR-15... nevermind, most of the hunters in the US live in states that voted for Bush - whereas the areas that voted for Kerry prefer handguns (which they have trouble hitting a 300lb. gas clerk at 4ft. away). No worries for the reds I suppose. :lol:

no.. but he thinks he pwns u redneck states.. do you think you sound cool or intelligent by asking him if he thinks hes cool or intelligent by saying pwn?

No, but it irritates me greatly that people say that.

fine then, we are of significant more intelligence then you redneck states, better?
or
we possess more intelligence then you redneck states

Do you honestly think what I care of your opinion, or anyone elses? This whole community I don't give a rats ass about anymore since 99% of the people I greatly respected have departed.

Well whatever, I care nothing for your opinin either, but, to everyone who has posted here:

Yes, but please don't trying setting me up. It is a strategy that goes after the person, rather than the argument.

I won't point out the spelling mistakes that you made. I hope that you didn't take the table too seriously, though. It is widely accepted as a hoax, as there is no data to verify it.

What's the purpose of the Constitution?

it has been proven that ones ability to spell does not relate in the slightest way to ones IQ

la la la la la la ~George Bush won~ and you cant fuckin change it!!
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Well, i guess you COULD change it, but it would take some time, to much time infact then you would be wasting your emu'n hours~

Come on people, "I didnt get what I wanted and everyone who took it from me has a lower IQ then me na nananana na nananana"


The USA is a Democracy, last election you complained cause Bush didnt win the popular vote yadda yadda yadda, now this election your complaining because he did. The people have spoken and you were found lacking, your claims of being smarter just show your stupidity.

Nicely put, mattmeck.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I'm leaving soon to go out of town for this weekend, so if you want to make your point.. :D

Good answer.

Now, let's narrow it down a bit:

How do you interpret the bolded part?

imo it says and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, as long as you aren't gay, a woman, or some other group we hate.

We the People of the GOP, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish 3 or 4 anti-abortion Justices, insure domestic Divisiveness, provide for the common defence of the Iraqi oilfields, promote the general Welfare of corupt corporations, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity (as long as we agree in the way which you do it), do ordain and establish this New Constitution for the United States of America.

What one does in their private lives does not effect anyone else. So gays can get married. That gonna turn your straight child gay. No. So, drugs are legalize, is that gonna lead someone who is told the detriments of drug abuse (and believes them) to go out and become an sddict, No. SHeltering people from having to make moral decisions does not make them a more moral person. I believe the bible states that the thought of sin is just as sinful as the act. But, you don't actually see the thought. So, you can go on believing that the world (your child/loved one) is sin free. Your god (by your) beliefs gave you free will. The first lesson we ever learned in existance was if you say "no" people are gonna do it, just to see why...

And, on your second paragraph; I may be an idealist but I would marry for love, not sex. Your view only sees the sex act, (and imo is discusted by it) and not the love. People marry for love, and if one is gay, they do not feel that "love" for the opossite sex. Though imo you do not believe it to be love, but who are you to say what anyone else feels.