OMG I'm speechless when I see such idiotic statements , Have you ever been to a concentration camp ? Have you ever saw the pile of hair that were used to make carpet ? Have you ever saw the crematory oven ?
America never started a war that killed 50 millions people and organized the extermination of a whole population.

and USA started the second world and attacked the japan at first...
I don't see your point , theses bombs were launch to stop the war , japan would have not surrender until the destruction of their whole country and this would have cost far more lives and consequences of atomic bomb weren't well known too.

USA weren't alone in the first Irak war (almost 50 countries) unfortunatly there is no "clean war" and do you really thinks it's better to let rogue state invade others and do nothing ? with people like you nazis would still own the whole Europe.
I disagree 2e Irak war , but first one was justified. I'm french , I disagree with USA foreign policy on many things especially on unjustified war like viet-nam (french decolonization war at first...) but you can't blame USA on first and second world war nor can you on first Irak war. and when you say:

you're statement is maybe true for the last 2 years and Mr bush , but no way for whole century , your memory seems to be very selective , germany maybe ? 2 world war and 60 millions death isn't enough for you ... USA has done a lot for the world with no real profit in return , lots of mistake too (Pinochet for exemple...)

You should too...

LOL and your are :
1) using a computer(microsoft anyone ? if you want to use EQ at least)
2) playing EQ (paying a corporation you didn't started by EQEMu)

I saw real punk in Berlin , and I wasn't that impress , real punk lives in the street not in their confortable house listening to some punk group on major label and playing EQ and then saying how "out of the system" they are...

Do you Americans (yes i'm talking about ALL of you) still call Pearl Harbour a stab in the back?

Also, those bombs were dropped on innocent people. Women and children... It is the same as 9/11, except it's only right because America did it and no one really cares that more than a million innocent people were killed.

At this point, you may be thinking, but the Japanese attacked first...Well those terrorists aren't p*ssed off for nothing, go find out why they're annoyed. Also, both targets WERE civilian...

If I ever hear anyone say that the Japanese people deserved that...I can honestly say that you, if you are in your right mind, should be put under hospitalisation. Do you know what happens when an atomic bomb is dropped? Have you seen pictures of the third degree burns people suffer THAT HAVE NOT DIED (ESPECIALLY CHILDREN OF LESS THAN 5 YEARS OF AGE!)?!

No of course japanese people didn't deserved that , the fact are that the bomb ended the war , without the bomb most historian agree that the war would have lasted at least one more year, japanese population was fanatized and ready to die for their country, and that would have cost far more innocent lives in final.

I agree with you it's not the people who start the war who suffer their consequences, Leaders should pay... That remind me of Offpsring: "In a world with no leader, who start the wars ?"

I am not American. Japan was a rogue state since early 30's (invasion of China , Korea 300 000 korean girl were used as sexual slave by japanse army during the war...) I don't see what is so wrong with the idea of a surprise attack... , of course USA and Japan had a influence war in pacific ocean but is that a reason for real war ? Japanese imperialism was well known , USA had an isolationist tradition back then.
Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany (atlantic chart in 1941) but with Japan ? Honestly I'm not an expert of American policy toward Japan back then but you cannot say that 2e WW wasn't a "right" war anyway.

Not nessicarily, there are alot of different kinds of punks. Punk has more to do with state of mind and the actions you make more than your living conditions.

I don't agree with dropping the Atom bombs on Japan.

The fact that the war would have lasted longer is not irrelevant at all, but it was based on speculation. The Japanese were not fanatized. Their leaders were. They were drunk on being one of the most powerful countries in the world after hundreds of years of self-imposed exile.

Though I don't agree with what happened at Pearl Harbor, all is fair in love and war, and there is nothing "wrong" with a sneak attack (though I don't believe in violence). And if you know your history at all, it wasn't a stab in the back. The United States ceased to supply Japan with food and munitions (why we were doing so in the first place I don't know) and so they retaliated. By the way, if surprise attacks are all bad and unfair, then what do u have to say about what George Washington did to the German mercenaries during the Revolutionary War. Ya know after he crossed the Deleware River and took them by surprise, drunk after Christmas partying.

And as for why those terrorists are pissed off:
1. They hate Jews for many reasons, the oldest one being the story of Israel and Ishmael. Go find your local Bible and read that story.
2. They hate Westerners (and Christians especially) for many reasons, the oldest being the Crusades. Yes I know that was a loooong time ago, but it was one of the worst acts of pointless slaughter in history. The Muslims were actually rather nice to Jews and Christians before the Crusades. They were free to live in the Islamic Empire....until the Crusades that is. Thats when things turned around.
3. The Gulf War. Americans apparently went into sacred Islamic land in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War and so that's why a lot of Saudi Arabian terrorists are so pissed off.
4. Americans just basically has huge egos that need to be taken down a notch (Their logic not mine, well ok mine too but not with violence)

Just thought yall would like to know.

Based upon the fact that in some American schools, students were taught that the attack on Pearl Harbour was a 'stab in the back'.

Edit: If you look deeper...it's believed the American government knew it was going to happen.

Who sends aircraft carriers out to sea without protection?

i'm sory i just can't stand it anymore it's IRAQ not IRAK learn how to spell before you start going off on idiotic rants that only make you look like a complete jackass.

A sneak attack is when a country attack another without war declaration so pearl harbour was a sneak attack , even if it was foreseeable.

This was against people who says they are "out of the system" (danipunk for exemple :P ). If you live in our society, got a job or go to school you are in the system , my exemple were people that were really "out of the system" not pretending to. You can think by yourself without beeing out of the system IMO.

I totally agree with that.

Iraq is spelled Irak in Europe.

Not in the UK. :wink:

Ok it's spell Irak in "continental" Europe 8)

he said he's from spain and currently resides there so it's a misspell and not a diff way of spelling.

I'm not reading any further because you got me all riled up, so now I'm going to give you a history lesson. Like it or not, this is going to be long.

Okay, so we dropped two bombs on two foreign cities, killing approximately 400 thousand people (OOPS).. which is a lot, dont get me wrong, but did you ever think of what would have happened if we DIDNT have the bomb?

(OOPS EDIT 1 -- 400,000 people died from the blast, and I forgot to tally in the radation sickness, mutations, and burn victims. I will raise my numbers to approximately 1.5 million people since im considering second and third generation mutations.)

The original plan was to invade japan like we did to europe.. load everyone up on ships and storm each and every freggin island of Japan. The estimated death toll of JUST american soldiers was approximately 2 million.. and the 400 thousand Japanese (OR MORE. :shock:) would probably have also died. Why, do you ask?

The japanese then were raised on the bushido (sp) code, which stated that you are worthless to god and your country if you surrender, or are taken prisoner. The Japanese used to grenade themselves and their families (:o) and children so they were not taken prisoner (but that is a different story all in its own).

It was determined by the military masterminds of the US that dropping the bombs would cause the least amount of casualities, and in my opinion, it probably would have caused less.


The only way you can come up with that figure is if you tally in the Kurds that were gassed, and all of the civilians that were killed by saddam for not fighting, or for other random reasons.

You could also come up with that figure if you remember that the MEDIA LIES. I do not believe that the United Nations (IT WAS THE UNITED NATIONS WHO WENT INTO IRAQ THE FIRST TIME, NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES. Did you know that Spain was there, killing along with the United States? and by the way, you are spanish, whether you like it or not. there were over 50 countries that comprised the coalition of the first Persian Gulf War).

Now im going to read the REST of the posts, and see if I need to post again.


Okay, read the rest of the posts (and finished this one, :roll: ) and appended the new text on the bottom. thanks for reading all of this.


You neglect to mention other countries that kill people (sometimes randomly), too. Japan and Germany, sure, but what about Iraq, Iran, and Turkey? I hope you get taught about south-west Asia before you finish school.


Once again, show me where you got that figure from.


You are against the capitalist United States, yet you live in the streets? You said you were true punk, and later stated (or someone else did) that true punks live on the streets.

And like that other person (:p) said, youre using a capitalist computer on the capitalist internet, with a capitalist browser typing on your capitalist keyboard. If you hate it so much, go back to (capitalist) punchcards, and hope you can input information that way.


This isnt directed towards me but I'd choose Germany.


What is our violence for? Do you think we enjoy sending our youngsters out to get killed? Iraqis arent the only people who are perishing in this world.



We dont want Bush. The only way he gets in is if Florida is rigged (again). I personally will not be voting for him, and I am very sure that my parents and friends wont, either.


I agree with you, and would like to kindly direct you towards a history book.

We dont hate you and its wrong that we dont, but its right and fine that you hate us.

Yes devs, thanks for the awesome work. :wink:


Marshall Mehean the Mauler,
65 Warrior, BB server.[/b]

...Unfortunately.

Wow it's people like you who are the source of this whole situation/problem.