I think he should learn someting new everyday lol.
Not to flame, ,etc. etc.

Nobody is flaming!! Good god.

And well said, Kahn.

Very well said Khan. That reminds me also, I forgot to add on there this:
I am looking for 5-10 Artists as well =P.

Goodluck getting that many people, if you get that many skilled people all of EQEmulator is gone so i dont think that will ever happen hehe.

He is right. You wont find anyone with that kinda skill, because there all prolly on another project.

And Buddy C. stfu please.

Also, i get sick and tired of people ex. Sotonin just flammin on the newbs like they are ruler of the board or something.....sorry, this doesn't belong in here.

.....uh ohh here comes sotonin with his post, oh wait or is that his girlfriend Buddy C..........................................

I dont think anyone in this thread has truly 'flamed' anyone. Putting things into prospective like 15 OpenZone Developers and the 40 staff members is most probably not going to happen and we are just trying to state this. A flame directly attacks a specific person, which I at least have not done.

An egotist as you have called Sotonin and I are not what we are. And after reading your posts for awhile it seems to me that for some reason when you get the opportunity to shoot back at people who dont agree with you, you do, probably to increase your own ego. Except those who are obviously of high power, such as melwin; whom you seem to suck up to.

Sorry, just my observations. I won't post in this thread anymore, as its just pointless to continue arguing and getting no where.

Feel free to flame me for being honest.

just because you put this at the end doesn't protect you when you flame.

it's supposed to be funny unlike your URL.

I disagree :p

I Totally think we need to ban bafoon, hes trying to up his post count :roll:

No, he's right. Using openzone itself doesn't really require any art talent. But object design definitely takes creativity and knowledge of programs like 3ds max, etc. If your goals are to create EQLive-like and better zones(OoW for example), you'll want to use a hybrid OpenZone + objects created with external 3d programs(Maya, 3DS Max, etc.) system.

I agree that no one has yet flamed in this thread, kk, except for relorm, who just flamed. Everyone has said their opinions, such as how the heck we are going to get that many staff. Also, that is how much I would like to have, hehe, I don't know if I will get that many. Hoping for atleast 1-2 of each thing though =).

Also, thank you for still no flamiing and turning this back into a war-zone, plus, thanx for cutting down on most of the arguing. Keep it up guys. This post is turning into a massive conversation about how to make a good server =). Atleast I think this. You have all put in opinions about how to make a good server, and this is great =D. Also, Cisyouc, if you want to post in this thread again, no one is stopping you =). I am learning much from this thread myself, as are probably others.

I have a question for you all though:
When is too much for a server, because, some-times, when a server is too good, no one will play it. If the patch is like EQLive, people won't like it. When should you stop making new zones and such to make the server rating go up. Sometimes other connections also can't handle all of the things in the server, and you start losing players. Just wondering where I should go with this. I want to do a lot, but, I don't think everything can go into this server.

Input would be great. Still haven't gotten any complaints, suggestions, etc in email. Send me your input, I am not going to go crazy all over you like some people =P.

Tx all, this is becoming an amazing thread with many opinions.

first.. put your eyes in the players position. like dont make unnecessary shit. and try to make things alot more convenient for the players. (this prolly would ruin all ideas but.. people like a click and play server alot better then downloading files to play) and.. hmmm ya more features the better, try to get the "ever" part of everquest in =D be creative, try to be original.. dont steal others ideas.. hmmm if i think of anything else, yea..

second.. be on your GMs case alot, dont let them do dumb shit. corrupt GMs = unhappy or uneven players (uneven as in a gm giving them armor/weapon or buffs they shouldnt have)

ummm yea thats all i got you ya i guess.. duno if you even need any of those tips or not, but... im kinda talkin outta my ass atm so.... right....

lol =), nice Cripp =P.

I dont give a hell about my damn post count.

Sorry Deimos for all the yelling, i just get really mad sometimes.

we dont care bafoon , nobody likes you......

yes, we are in agreement there

Amen to that!

I'm new to forums, so forgive me if I dont respect you, but ive been browsing the forums and every time a noob asks a good question he seems to get flamed and your name is always on the list.

Theres a fine line between helping people and this emulator by answering noobs questions, and flaming them. I think your starting to cross that line sotonin.

I know someone is gonna be mad at me since im new to the forums, calling me a noob, etc. But you can just think of me as a neutral party in this argument.

Show some evidence to back up your claim.

Your idea of "flaming" may be very lax then. If you mean posting quick responses telling them to search or read the tutorials, then yep, i guess i do. There's a very huge amount of people who come around asking the same things 20 times a day without reading anything.

I don't insult them or put them down i just tell them to read first ask questions later. Sorry if you think this is flaming. If you do you should perhaps try some other forums, because we aren't as tight up as you apparently.

Seriously, Bafoon ( relorm ) is 100% annoying.... If u check every little topic, he has a post in it with like "agreed" or " yea yea i know about dr8" ...

He trys to help the community but he makes it worse by posting un-approperiate posts ...

He does?

He tries... but he doesn't succeed. lol

Thats what I Meant :P lol

This thread is going to Drama Central if it doesn't get back on topic very, very soon.

Got ya Melwin......


* CHANGES TOPIC*

Well creating intros & Stuff to me wont be enabled till OpenEQ comes out & that wont come out for a while because of, uhhhhh...... I dont know , Ask SoE.....

Your asking months to even years out of someones life to make a project that might not even make it :oops:

SoE has nothing to do with it. I can't yet devote all of my time to the project... I have other obligations to meet.

Same, School right now is main priority, I got a parole officer & if i dont keep a 70+ , I got to J.V , & I dont want to go there so same as what you said, I cant devote my life to a project so i can probaly only work for 30minuetes to 1-hour...

Hey all, don't worry about the eqclient or openEQ or any of that, I got it all asituated =). My dad is actually going to help me one of these weekends with eqclient and such, sorta like a father son thing I guess =D, that is how I talked him into it, lol.
Do not worry about intro's, got that covered too =). What we need to worry about still is a future host, for when we get testers, and a temporary host, for GM Staff. We also need to worry about site so we can stop posting in forums, kk. I am talking about a really, really, nice pay-site. I am stilll looking at VDecks, but also looking at Amigo.

-Attention-
I have to cut GM-Bafoon from the team. All of the other staff are now threatening to leave the project if I do not cut you. I already lost Bamboo, I am not willing to lose an entire staff for one person. Sry Bafoon =(. I tried to keep you on, but they are threatening me that they are going to leave, and I cannot afford to lose the entire staff for your sakes.

Ok... now this is just getting stupid. If you _honestly_ think you're going to be able to modify the official client, you have _no_ clue about the limitations of what you can do by disassembling/hex editing. And if you think you're going to be able to modify OpenEQ to get it to the point of even connecting to a server and walking around, you have no clue about the current state of the project... we're close, but not close enough that a weekend of work by anyone who doesn't know both the codebase and the involved technology inside and out can finish it.

This server wont make it.

<offtopic>didnt you leave?</offtopic>

he was kicked out a long time ago.........

Listen, I don't know about everyone else, but I am sticking to this server, kk. I haven't been able to work on it lately, due to massive amounts of work being assigned. This is my current life:
Get up
Go to school:
work
After School:
Work
Get Home:
Work
go to bed
That is my life atm, lol. I sometimes have to stay up from 30 minutes to two hours after I normally go to bed to get it all done, lol. I hope I will get time this weekend or the weekend after to play with the source, that way I can send it to someone, and they can host it, this way Staff can start working on it.
-Relorm was kicked awhile back-

Still looking for more staff and support as well as temporary host(s)

Sorry to go offtopic again, but ...

I disagree, talented (C++) coders are just as rare as talented artists. If an untalented person creates a chair you'll instantly think "man, this is a crappy chair", because we all KNOW how a realistic chair should look like. Every person on this planet can tell the difference between a good artist and a bad one.

However, anyone can look up some tutorials about coding and claim that it's his own code. Even if it's bad code, but does what it is supposed to do, it's hard for most people to tell whether it's good or bad code. Only talented programmers can tell the difference between those.

That's why you get the impression that good artists are so rare.

Mongrel, my whole post is about EQEmu / OZ, what you quoted wasnt general, but applied to EQEmu and OZ, where there are way more c++ coders than modelers.

1. How do you know that there are more (talented) coders than (talented) artists?

2. There aren't that many talented coders here.

My coding abilities are way better than my modelling abilities, none of those two would qualify as "talented". Above average, yes; genius, no :P

disagre .. maybe on eqemu forums thats true.. but not in game development in general.

Everyone, project is no longer on hold. I have been talking with Adam and we decided to combine LOTD and TPOC. He will be in charge though because I have found that I do not have time to run a server. The name of LOTD will probably be kept, has a very low chance of changing.

A lot of the same stuff you all know, but with a LOTD twist =), we are both putting in things and mixing them together. Same Guild System. There is one new thing thouhg, we are back to doing a *seperate* login-server, new login-pictures, exc. We might even put this on CD and sell it to people for 10$ instead of downloading basically a completely different 10 gig game, which is probably what it will be. Same ideas, but more zones, more planets, exc. The staff will be large.

All staff for TPOC are now to report to LOTD plz =), thx. We need you all =). The server will be like wr, it will stay one 5.7 DR6, becuz everyone likes how the source is set-up =P.


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