US Draft
 

This is not related to EQ/EQEMu but, for those who are unaware, there is a bill in attempt to re-instate the US Draft, for those of you who live in the United States I would appreciate if you sent in an email to oppose this bill, thanks (Take Action on the link below). I highly suggest adding to the message that you say you will not elect for the official next term if this bill passes.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...ua_congressorg

Draft Whoo hooo im going to go get to kill camle jockys!

i hope its like Desert Combat! :P

War / Death shouldnt scare anyone, its apart of life, but i will oppse the bill, because i think it is wrong to send people into a war that isnt backed by the UN, and just to defeat a few militamen that are causeing a ruckus because a war started over a grudge.

As long as i get an apache i dont care =P

We really need to have a draft? What the hell?

the draft fu**ing sucks. why do we need it? bush is an idiot. the war in iraq is pretty much vietnam all over again. bush is a bloody IDIOT.

fuck george bush that peice of shit

now, how did a prez with a 3rd grade eduction and no war exp get into office im 17 and i prolly know more about war and shit then he does i will put it like this

Bush is a FAGOT and i have a big cock

I'm not really into either of them (bush or kerry).. i say just give kerry a chance and if it doesnt work out, oh well its only 4 years and we can always impeach =P

is there some releation to the two? i am kinda lost here... you say he is a fagot, and that would make him homosexual right? and you have a big cock.. are you trying to hook up with Mr. Bush? <<wow that sounds odd))

As for the draft, i think its a stupid idea, but as much as i would hate to have to reinstate the draft, we are running out of reserve men to send to iraq, and i don't know exactly how long the time in between shifts are, but i belive its a year, then you get a few years back in the U.S. before they can send you out again unless we are in a combat situation, which.. i guess we kinda are, i am not really sure, but somthing like that. so i guess really if they believe they need people, well i dunno..


and just FYI, Bush is an idiot, but this proposal was not put into effect JUST by him, he does not just come out and say i propose this, now pass it, he talks with his administration first, and if they are by a majority for it, he will propose the bill to congress. if the majority is against it, this proposal would never have seen the light of day. so don't be all pissed at bush, it wasn't just him, infact, it is entirely possible that someone in his administraion could have proposed the idea to him, and he simply agreed as did most of his other administrators, and now it is being put up for vote.


EDIT: After reading the article i came across this.


Congress = House of Reps, and Senete. The president is not a part of either, he has his own branch of government. so for all thsoe people who just posted BUSH BLOWS. read before you post, it wasn't even bushs idea, it was some fat congress men who thought it up.

I'm not an expert, but if what I heard was true, it won't matter if Bush or Kerry takes the White House. They both support the draft. I don't have a problem with the draft. It is a shame that people will be forced to fight, I wish it were not so. But the fact is, the United States has many enemies. There are many who would happily kill you just because you are American. When I say "you", actually think to yourself "me". There are many who would happily kill you just because you are American. We have a choice. We can face our enemies, or we can hide from them until we have no choice and must face them. That might not be in our lifetimes, Maybe we would just be giving the problem to our children as an inheritance. I am not willing to do that.

I am, however, against the draft. The sole reason is that women are included. I cannot believe that this nation has fallen so low as to force it's women to go to war. I was never really for woman in combat in the first place, but if a few really wanted to go, so be it. How many or you would send your sisters or daughters or girlfriends or wives to war? To be forced to kill or be killed? Have we become so confused in this country? This is wrong.

And now, for George dubya Bush. I'm not dubya's greatest fan, but I think he takes more blame than he deserves. The war in Iraq was a complete success. The occupation is a different story. I believe the partisan media is just as much to blame as the president. The media whole-heartedly backed our troops in WWII, now they criticize our military and praise our enemies. These people hold nothing as sacred on American soil. I am Christian, and never was my church or belief called "Holy" by them. Yet our soldiers in Iraq can't fire their weapons without hitting something "Holy" over there. They can't defend themselves without desecrating "Holy Ground" or "Holy" cities. The liberal media defames our allies and comforts our enemies. Isn't that the definition of an enemy? Not all of our enemies are foreigners.

I'm impressed if you made it this far on this post. My hope for you is that you have something greater to hold on to in life than the values that are pushed on you everyday. It is the agenda of the liberal to remove your responsability, replace your parents, and replace your God. They want the government to be your conscience, your parents and your God. All of this because they themselves are offended by God and His gospel.

I've had my say now. I don't want war, but I understand that we cannot allow this growing threat to multiply, and then just pass it on to our children. These are our times. They are our responsability. The enemies of the United States are our enemies. It is our responsability to end the conflict. Yet, if we are drafting our woman, is there anything left worth saving?

tiraid, Nice..

I have to say I agree with you on that.....

I totally agree, however, you ahve to realize that there are actually women out there who WANT to be able to join the army, now, ofcourse this is the draft, if the women wanted to join the army they alreayd would have, those being drafted are ones who don't want to join but are forced... which is why i agree women should be excluded.

(NOTE: This does not mean i beleive men are better than women, anyone who does should have their fingernail ripped off one by one while having a hot firepoker stuck in their eye, and having fire ants crawling down their throat. Then perhaps they would learn that they are infact inferior to women, from what i hear, most woman would prefer this over giving childbirth. Well maybe not the poker in the eye.)

Stop being sissies
 

...and if there is a draft, deal with it and serve your country.

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F THIS
 

The american military has about 1 million troops, and the US is more powerful than the next 9 nations combine ( true fact).... dont you think its a little crazy when we still need the draft? I mean, we arent even taking on any top nations here,... we are taking on a group of rebels in the middle east that are a bunch of pussies and hide when we come, and attack innocent civilians when we turn or backs for a second. Canada here i come!

Reread the post. The US and Canada have some agreements in place to curtail draft dodgers.

So that's Scoops in this clip?? And I thought it was Blair...
http://www.kontraband.com/index.asp?...asp%3FID%3D695

Ok im not a fagot that likes bush, im not that british fagot either for all i care the world could blow up and i wouldnt care, shit happens , wars happen, im not fucking fighting a war that was started over a fucking grudge, just because bush is a pussy, why dont fucking congress men and bush's cabnet go fight fucking pussys.

Convo. Between Bush and Congress..

Congress auctions, WTB Draft pst.
Bush tells Congress, WTS Draft, how much you want?
Congress tells Bush, We would like to kill 10,000 people.
Bush tells Congress, Why dont you go fight.
Congress tells Bush, We are pussys..and we are old anyways.
Bush tells Congress, HEY! i have the same excuse..
Congress tells Bush, So you want to watch alot of people die?!?
Bush tells Congress, No, im going to be in the safty of my home.
Congress tells Bush, Oh well we will be here in our cars and cheap suits and shity hair cuts.
Bush tells Congress, Ok then lets do it!!
Congress tells Bush, Ok then.....we will sign

The End

Im not going to canada im going to mexico =) or fucking Europe like Germany and France!!

ill go somewhere...
 

If you think im joking, im not, ill move. Canada, mexico, u name it, ill go there... fu** going to a war over something so stupid. I agree with with scoop, but am still confused why he tells the world he has a big wang, lol. :shock:

Cause i do!!!! Rawr!

Lol ya fuck this if we end up having to draft becuse bush has a fuckin size complex fuck this im out of here this con. has be geting ass rammed by bush sence he got into office at least clinton fixed somethin and got some head on the side bush is just pissed becuse he is stuck with that tramp of a wife of his =\

*rant off*

I will quote myself on this one


i posted this earlier, you keep bashing bush because your being ignorant, Bush didn't even propose it. the only thing you should be upset with bush about is the fact he is to weak minded to vote against his administration. and FYI Kerry is in full support of this too.

As for clinton, i would love to see him back in office, if they ever amended the constitution to allow it, he would be back in office faster than he could get off with monica down on him. I think the funniest thing about clintion is that with all thats going on (War, up comming elections, etc...) he goes and releases a book =P what a spotlight stealer. but anyway stop bashing Bush without atleast offering a reason behind it, other than he sucks, and should eat me.

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Have to remember, Hitler did some mean as shit during his reign, he commited acts so horrific that only severe torture would have been a start of the things that should have been done to him, but he was a fucking weak ass shit eater who instead of taking what was comming to him, Killed himself so he wouldn't have to endur what would have been done to him. Trust me i have my list of things i am going to hell for, and when i get there i will be sure to personally torture him for the rest of eternity, and even then i won't be happy.

Do not ever think to call or assume that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, and the leader of the free world, would ever be as fucked in the head as Hitler was. Your lucky you don't live in america becuase if you ever insulted our leader by calilng him Hitler, your ass would be kicked so hard you would wish you were in hell with Hitler.

Had i seen your post before i would have posted earlier, and incase you are even fucking curious, i take it very personal when somone dares to compare anything i respect to one such as Hitler. So don't do it again.

I have two questions for those of you that have blamed this war on dubya in previous posts.

1-) Are you aware that you have enemies that want to kill you?
2-) Do you underestimate those enemies?

President Bush has brought the war to our enemies so that it would not be fought on U.S. soil. So now only our well trained and extreemly well equiped military must fight them, instead of our citizens. Do you forget that there hasn't been a terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11? President Bush did not create a war. We would not attack if we were not first attacked. I know that is a risky statement because no one came to the U.S. and killed people while waving an Iraqi flag. I see it this way. This is not a new war in Iraq. The first war, Desert Storm, never ended. The fighting ended with the United Nations telling Sadam that he must disarm and PROVE to the UN weapons inspectors that he had disarmed. He was given a time limit, or the UN soldiers would be back. I am very disappointed in the way the UN handled it when Sadam did not comply. For 10 years he did not comply. The United Nations was created to replace the League of Nations because the League had no teeth. They were unable to back up their resolutions. Now it seems the United Nations is also weak. The resounding message around the world was, "Do as we say, or we will pretend we never said it!". The U.S. is not so weak. Even Clinton found it necessary to bomb Iraq. The perception of the occupation of Iraq is the problem. If you are one of those who believe that the radicals who are fighting the U.S. troops are patriots and the that the U.S. military are only present as imperialists; you are an enemy of the United States, whether you are a citizen of the United States or not. Our problem in the U.S. is that so many of our own dispise our military and believe that we should have no national interest. It makes no sence. Why is it that we as a nation cannot do what is right for our nation? Every nation survives by doing what is in their best interest, why not the United States?

Then there's the German that compared President Bush to Hitler. What a rediculous notion. How quickly the Germans forget. If George Bush were anything remotely like Hitler, we would have already taken over Canada and Mexico and would be slaughtering <insert randam ethnic group here> by the millions and blaming all our problems on them. People in the United States who didn't agree with President Bush would just disappear. Maybe they would show up again, broken and afraid, or maybe just their ashes would be returned to their families. Then there is the fact that both Hitler and Bush are such great, charismatic speakers... Nevermind, I cringe with embarrasement everytime Bush opens his mouth. His message is usually good and true, but I sure wish he would work on his delivery... Germany was once a great nation, full of great thinkers and artists. Now its packed full of sheeple (sheep + peeple = sheeple. Bahhhhh!). Where are the great German thinkers today? Seriously, my friend, please, please think for yourself, open your eyes and see the world's conflicts again for the first time. Weigh the facts for yourself. Remember the damage a few radicals can do (didn't only about 5 percent of German population belong to the Nazi party when they took over your country?). Remember the damage a few terrorists can do. Don't underestimate the power of who should be the enemies of all the good and free people on this earth, because you are their enemy, make no mistake.

And all of you who do not hate the United States and love your freedoms, do nothing that would impeed our military from protecting those freedoms. Stand behind them and support them. It's a shame that the greatest weapon of our enemies is us. We send our neighbor's to fight for our freedoms, and we don't allow them to use all means possible to be victorious and return alive. War is Hell. If we are bringing someone war, then we are bringing them Hell. This idea that we can fight the radicals and terrorists, but we need to make sure they are comforable while we do so is somewhere between lunicy and idiocy. So what are we? Crazy or idiots? Its kind of like our education system these days. No one can be wrong, no one can be better than anyone else. Are we afraid we will make our enemies feel bad? We can't hurt their feelings that we are beating them, so we have to back off and give them plenty of chances to do some damage and kill some of our soldiers so they can feel that they are doing well? If our military were only allowed to do so, they could end this conflict without further casualties.

Maybe all the nay-sayers here are right. Maybe we need to just call all of our military home, because we will never, never win a war outside our borders while so many enemies of the United States flourish within our borders!

wow... um.. i really don't know what to say, i mean i totally agree with you on alot of the topics, but wow.. never thought of it quite that way.

Uii George Bush woooh.
Do you admire Georgy ?
Your whole nation contains liers.
The CIA with their "photos" and their "true" stories ....
Attacking Iraque coz of Oil and so on.
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Dude, do you think that all of the people in Germany are related to the barbarians who lived there long ago? Almost every country has been taken from people who originally owned it. For example England was taken over by William the Conqueror making England now of Normon descent and eradicating the people who lived there before. Still though in America at least now we have given the natives homes to live in. In Hawaii the natives can live in government built homes for barely anything, also in mainland America native Americans get to make thier own rules on almost everything.

Perhaps it would be wise to look back before you try to sprint ahead.

My 2 cents.
 

Ok, i saw in one post that they dont think it's right that women are included in the draft. That the US has sunk low in making it's women fight.

Do you have ANY idea how many women would bitch and complain and start calling the US sexist? Women now expect to be treated as an equal to man. There would be problem after problem if they did not include women in the draft.


Second, If Bush was anything like hitler, to put it simply if your ass is darker then khacki, you would have been whacked already. Plus, I had watched a biography on the Hitler Channel (History Channel) about Hitler, and it had a section on how he was into S&M, and all that. So far, nothing indicates that Bush is into S&M. Bush hasn't whacked a number of the same beliefs and ethnicity because he did not like them. It makes me sad that the honor. The Integrity, and the Loyalty to the US from it's citizens is just a minute crumb to what it once was.

Didn't the Nick Berg video disturb you? I've seen it, and I feel that I have personally been slapped in the face by the terrorists, who basically said Fuck you America, by publishing this on the internet. Which they know is a key way to transfer information to a broad audience. It wasn't released on accident


Third, I am for this draft. I am ashamed to hear such rants and raves towards Bush because he took proactive actions against "weapons of mass destruction". Weither they exist or not. Would you rather have a reactive action by the president, when the bomb goes off in a pub . . . Oh Wait! . . . He DID take reactive actions, when they hit the twin towers with OUR OWN PLANES!!!!!


As for us starting wars all over the place. If i remember right, it was germany who invaded an ally of the US, and they called us in for help in WWII. At least that's how I was taught in US History and World History. If we had not dropped Fat Man and Little Boy on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August of 45, Japan would have sent their millions of troops into our country and we would all be speaking japanese right now. Oh and in addition, It's the history of the US to attack those who attack our soil. Do the words Pearl Harbor ring a bell?


Those who are opposed to the draft, and who oppose war. I call you pussies. Grow a pair, and defend your right to chose not to go to church. To chose your jobs. To have the freedom to do what you do today. Hell, before the US got there, women weren't even able to show their faces or laugh without getting beat.

Get off your ass and defend what many before you have fought and already died for the freedom you have today.

Beretta,

You are right. If woman were not included in the draft, some of them would complain. Here's the thing. I don't care. That very small percentage would be wrong. Oh, no! I said it! They would be... WRONG???? How is that possible, you ask? Well, let me enlighten you. You see, sometimes, people say things and have oppinions that are false. Let's see if I can break it down into smaller, chewable pieces.. ah, contrary to the truth... to be the opposite of what really is... to be "incorrect". Shocking, but it happens. If some woman want to say that such a view is sexist, so be it. Again, I don't care. If they really want to be equal, they still have the power to join the military on their own. I will not change my views on what I know to be the right thing because I fear someone may oppose me. You condemed people who were afraid to fight and die? I agree, we should not be afraid to give even our lives for our country. But if it is wrong to fear death, which most people do, how much more wrong is it to fear to do what is right because someone may contridict you? You say "grow a pair" (very eloquent), which I assume means, "be a man". Why would you say such a thing? Isn't that sexist? I say it isn't. You were saying "be a man and defend what you know to be right", if I interpret you correctly. Berreta, I couldn't agree with you more. The defense of this country is a man's job. It is wrong to force a woman to do it. If a woman really wants to volunteer, so be it. Remember Jessica Lynch? Would that have been the story it was if she were a man? No, it would not. Why did the media spend so much time on that story if they truley, deep down, believed in equality? It was good money for them because the world watched, and they watched because it is terrible to see such a thing happen to a woman. Then there are the men on the front lines fighting next to the woman. How many stupid things do you think they have done trying to defend their female colleages?

Beretta, this is not a flame against you, I was just responding to your post. I can't stress this enough, and this is for anyone reading. Sometimes, you will be told things that are wrong. You need to just ignore it and stand up for what you know to be right, let the consequence follow.

The thing is, tiraid, that women don't need our (men's) protection anymore. In fact, they never did.

While I personally find it repugnant that women would be forced into military service, I feel exactly the same way about forcing men to serve.

Personally, while I am severely disturbed by the fact that the bill has even been proposed, I honestly don't believe that it'll ever be passed. Not while this is a free country at least.

I have been proud and honored to be an American my entire life. I was born an American and I hope to die an American. America's leaders have - time and again - demonstrated that they are worthy of my high esteem and I, since I cannot vote, must trust them to make the right decision.

Guys to be honest thats the only thing that scares me My wife is only 20 I dont want her pulled from here or away from me sure if thay draft me I will go with out a prob but if thay draft her its wrong in my eyes I just dont want to have the goverment say your wife is goin wether u like it or not I personly think thats bullshit

As his name states Beretta, he is a pistol.

But it is true, the only part of the draft i am against i putting women into the draft, as i stated before i don't believe we are supireor to them, but its still isn't right. (If any women out there want to slap me for saying this please do so.)

as for pyrix

[quote]Uii George Bush woooh.
Do you admire Georgy ?
Your whole nation contains liers.
The CIA with their "photos" and their "true" stories ....
Attacking Iraque coz of Oil and so on.
I

your all lucky im not the president of the US :twisted:

but thats where the real problem lies in this country

to run for any type of office here its all about $$$DOLLARS$$$$ if you dont have them and LOTS of um you dont have a chance in hell
of getting any where in a election but as Ross Pero proved its only 80% money the other 20% is kissing the asses of all the rest of the rich bastards
not to mention the electorial collage is currupt and majority vote means squat

i bet everyone in the US knows some blue collar worker with one brilliant mind that would do a outstanding job in politics but those ppl will never ever get there ....... its not who or what you know its how fat is that bank account ..... money will buy everything! if the beatles were a rock band of today ther song would be money CAN buy me love


want to know who will win the next election of any office , just look to see whos silver spoon shined the most

Careful what you say. Beer is very much an American historical symbol :lol:

I'm all for the draft. I'm a patriot, but I wouldn't volunteer to die. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't roll the death dice for my country if requested.

I've seen much of the world, and I love my home nation. Ireland is no longer my ethnic country (although it is the biggest part of my racial heritage), and I don't know that it would be any better there.

With that said, I don't understand why the draft is being instituted now. Cheers to being stronger than 10 or 11 other nations combined, but why enforce the draft? Doesn't our federal government have enough power already?

Perhaps this is being done to ensure that the ranks don't drop and that we don't become France, but with all the enemies of the world seeking to punish the punisher.

Something that everyone needs to keep in mind: Land troops, appropriately delivered, win wars. Navy and Air Force and missiles only maim. Ground troops conquer. So even if China spends less than a quarter of what we spend, they could probably still kick our puny asses, especially with the help of another of the top 10.

American beer sucks :(

*nod@Mongrel*

Prost!

Ok, back to the topic of the draft... (and I don't mean beer this time :))

The Luclin server board has a pretty good thread that pretty much dispels all the panicking going on about this.

Basically, I agree with most of the people on that thread, it's somebody (prolly the Dems) trying to cause a big scare in an election year.

Ranger: that makes a lot of sense. i agree. i mean what better way to get someone to vote a certain way than to scare them into it :wink:

bah, forgot to link to the thread :P
http://www.eqluclin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5060