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Flame_storm 06-10-2004 10:53 AM
Dev's are lame.
 
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khuong 06-10-2004 10:57 AM
lol...

1. open source
2. we don't make $ off this
3. its open source
4. we don't make $ off this?

work ethics = read the 4 reason's above

^__^

Scorpious2k 06-10-2004 11:15 AM
Re: Dev's are lame.
 
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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
I bet im gunna get banned for this, but it needs to be said.... Then they will probly delete this, anywho...
Not me...

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#1 they release a shitty version of DR-4 where nothing works...
DR means developer's release.. not even beta. The reason it was released quickly was because people were begging for the emu to work with the current patch.

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Yet, all their servers seem to work just fine?
You obviously haven't played on the S2K server or talked to the people who play there. I use our server for testing new code before it goes into cvs. If the code works, then from the time I put it in until the time it is merged with cvs and cvs is released there will be a difference...

And if it doesn't work, its our server crashing - not yours.

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They do a half ass job on the Public Release then work on their own.
DR means developer's release, not public release.

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I have been working on fixing this Huge problem you neglected to fix with DR4, but there are too many problems for me to fix.
but you expect a miracle from others...

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I dont care how long it takes to make, take the extra time and do it right, you spend all your time on support, screw helping people, make it right then you wont have to.
and others say give it to us now and we will help you get it right.

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Just make it right, fix your problems,
now its my problem/our problem. I thought this started out that YOUR server didn't work right

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if i knew as much Programing as you, i would do it right,
if you knew anything about programming....

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even if it took me a year to do it, at least i wouldnt have to waste my time on fixing the mistakes, its harder to go back and fix what u didnt do, rather than doing it all at once.
... you would know that 90% of the programmer's time is spent on maintenance

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And flame the hell outta me if u want.
not needed. you've done more than enough damage to yourself and your own reputation (if you had one)

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Thank you for your time.
And good luck to you in your career as a motivational speaker. You've certainly made me want to bust my tail getting this to work for you.

Baron Sprite 06-10-2004 01:39 PM
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Seriously, Just make it right, fix your problems, if i knew as much Programing as you, i would do it right, even if it took me a year to do it, at least i wouldnt have to waste my time on fixing the mistakes, its harder to go back and fix what u didnt do, rather than doing it all at once.
if u knew as much programming as my big toe then you would know what you just said is fucking stupid.

It's a dev release dumbass. Sorry I forgot you don't know that "programing" stuff. Basically that means you get an alpha build of the next version. Right right no "programing". An alpha build is a pre-beta (beta is when testing is done) developer only release (hence the name developer release) that is a fucking privilege for you to get to use.

And since you failed to notice the fact that not only do the devs not make a dime off this shit, we have to pay to keep it running. You want bug free perfect releases? Play live or fund us. I charge around 65,000$ a year for full time "programing", so send me a baggy filled with cash or a certified check and I'll get you dr5 in flawless form.

Unlocking this topic so you can give me a brilliant response. Fuck I don't even know why I wasted time responding to this.

And yeah I'm gonna change your avatar, why? Because WOO, i can make Delphi programs, i am acting gay and doing a half ass job!

Virus11 06-10-2004 01:45 PM
Dear Dev Hater (flame_storm),
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you are lame. you motherfuckin ungrateful little bastard newbie. go play eqlive fuckin impatient little fuckin tard!!! if you werent a n00b you would know dr4 is the worst of all releases because of a big patch, if you ever played previous versions you wouldnt be fucking complainging. so before you nominate yourself to get banned, remember you fucking n00b, that you need to have a little patience and wait a fucking week so devs can fix your server.
[/flame]

Sorry for any bad grammer, it just spilled out.

Melancholy 06-10-2004 01:51 PM
If you don't like the way things are going, then why don't you just... go away?

Nobody owes you anything, and I really doubt you'll be missed. ;)

mattmeck 06-10-2004 02:07 PM
http://www.bossmob.com/matts/boohoo.GIF




Oh and /wave everyone

Nafeasonto 06-10-2004 02:18 PM
Re: Dev's are lame.
 
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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
I bet im gunna get banned for this, but it needs to be said.... Then they will probly delete this, anywho...

Here is the issue that i think make some of the Dev's lame:

#1 they release a shitty version of DR-4 where nothing works...

Yet, all their servers seem to work just fine?

Why is that?

They do a half ass job on the Public Release then work on their own.

I understand that they are all doing this for free, and they all have jobs outside of this, but a lil thing they should know by now, or at least i hope they should know is that: If your going to do something do it right.

I have been working on fixing this Huge problem you neglected to fix with DR4, but there are too many problems for me to fix.

I dont care how long it takes to make, take the extra time and do it right, you spend all your time on support, screw helping people, make it right then you wont have to.

Pretty Pathetic way to get attention if your lonely.
Seriously, Just make it right, fix your problems, if i knew as much Programing as you, i would do it right, even if it took me a year to do it, at least i wouldnt have to waste my time on fixing the mistakes, its harder to go back and fix what u didnt do, rather than doing it all at once.

Sorry, but that just mega-piss's me off that all you are releaseing a shit version and then just work on your own, makeing your own servers like live, and leaveing the rest of us with shit.

Every time you make a new version, it gets worse, what is DR5 gunna be textbased?

Realy......

i would like to know.

And flame the hell outta me if u want.

You can even ban me if you want, just dont delete or edit this post, let everyone see how i feel about your shitty work ethics.

Thanks for reading this, and hopefuly the Dev's will learn from this.

Thank your for putting the time in it you have, im not saying i dont appriciate your work, im trying to get the point into your head that you should just do the job right, especialy when no one has anything to fall back on like DR4, you have to patch, then when all DR4 server SUCK cuz of some things you decided not to fix...

Most of you are probably thinking why dont you just go play live, and the reason im not is: SONY is communist and im not givein emm my money. And im not gunna play a lame ass game when they nerf it every week.

Anywho...

Like i said, Ban me, Flame me, Spam my PM's or email, change my Avatar, i dont care anymore, Just let people see what i feel, let them see the truth im sick of you DEV's acting like your GODS cuz u can make a program...

WOO, i can make Delphi programs, am i acting gay and do a half ass job?
NO!!!

Thank you for your time.
Or they will ban you for no reason, like me. Infact, I hope they ban you like me.

Dspirit 06-10-2004 02:28 PM
Who was it that said DR = Dev release? cause that about sums it up Never expect a DR to be completely bug free. Then again if you believe it can and should be then maybe you need to click your shoes together harder.

DeletedUser 06-10-2004 02:37 PM
Please make constructive responses to show that we have more smarts than this guy

DrPlump 06-10-2004 02:40 PM
If you take a year to get it working dont you think sony would patch by then i know thast and im only 9...

jammey97 06-10-2004 02:46 PM
Re: Dev's are lame.
 
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Originally Posted by Flame_storm

I have been working on fixing this Huge problem you neglected to fix with DR4, but there are too many problems for me to fix.
why not be a bit more constructive with your feedback and maybe make a list of bugs and/or errors and possible solutions.

If there are indeed 'too many problems' for you to fix, then post the patches for the problems you did manage to fix. Then the devs can skip those and fix the rest.

Just saying it all sucks and whining about it won't fix anything, and will probably ensure that you will never be helped in the future.

Virus11 06-10-2004 02:50 PM
jammey97? lmao nice name

mattmeck 06-10-2004 02:52 PM
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#1 they release a shitty version of DR-4 where nothing works...

Yet, all their servers seem to work just fine?

Why is that
Well its shitty cause its a DR ( i think this has been covered enought) and because there smart enough to have a seperate EQ directory for the EMU so when SOE patched and breaks the EMU they can still play

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They do a half ass job on the Public Release then work on their own.
As scorp say'd in an ealier post its called testing.

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I dont care how long it takes to make, take the extra time and do it right, you spend all your time on support, screw helping people, make it right then you wont have to.
So that would be screw what everyone else want do what you want? cause 99% of the EMU community wants it NOW with bugs.

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Pretty Pathetic way to get attention if your lonely.
your right I hope you dont do this much.

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Seriously, Just make it right, fix your problems, if i knew as much Programing as you, i would do it right, even if it took me a year to do it, at least i wouldnt have to waste my time on fixing the mistakes, its harder to go back and fix what u didnt do, rather than doing it all at once.
So your gonna comment on how to do something that you have no clue how to do or how long it takes to do...hhmm and you expect them to do, in there free time, what has taken SOE what 7-8 years to acomplish?

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Sorry, but that just mega-piss's me off that all you are releaseing a shit version and then just work on your own, makeing your own servers like live, and leaveing the rest of us with shit.
This right here tell me you have no clue what your talking about cause the bugs on one server are the bugs on another server, just read the forums and see how everyone has the same issues.

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Every time you make a new version, it gets worse, what is DR5 gunna be textbased?
If thats what it takes to get the hundreds of posts flaming them for not having it out NOW to stop then yes. People dont want to wait to play and they dont have back up directories so they flame the bord, got to shut them up somehow.

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when no one has anything to fall back on like DR4, you have to patch, then when all DR4 server SUCK cuz of some things you decided not to fix...
OH so you didnt create a backup copy ether huh? yea they suck but guess what.THATS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS they want to be able to log on create a char and stand there. they would rather have that then waiting a few weeks for the bugs to be fixed.

All i see in your post is me me me me me, what about everyone else here? thats right more people put up a stink about not even being able to log on then about the bugs that are know so guess what........the Devs do what the COMMUNITY wants not what you want.


The Devs may be elitists, and darn right arses most of the time, but they run this this is there domain, they make the rules this is there little corner of the web where they ARE the gods. If you want to be part of the community you need to accept that. Just like on my web space I say what happens and if you dont like it fine dont come.

I wish the Devs would be nicer / more professional but the one thing anyone with a brain cant denie is there hard work and there own $ to run this project, so they do what they want and we nod and say ok or we go away.

x-scythe 06-10-2004 02:57 PM
mattmeck! whats up!

PS: why all the hate? be at peace my brother

Virus11 06-10-2004 03:05 PM
Re: Dev's are lame.
 
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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
I bet im gunna get banned for this, but it needs to be said.... Then they will probly delete this, anywho...
Banned? How about pubically humiliated.

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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
I dont care how long it takes to make, take the extra time and do it right, you spend all your time on support, screw helping people, make it right then you wont have to.
Support? Are you kidding me? There is no "support" the devs are working on their own time, not 24/7. This isn't friggin cable on demand.

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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
Sorry, but that just mega-piss's me off that all you are releaseing a shit version and then just work on your own, makeing your own servers like live, and leaveing the rest of us with shit.
Shit version? Or do you mean Developer Releases? If your so pissed about the "shit versions" go back to 5.6. Dev servers are better to help us moron, they test the new codes before releasing them so if there is a problem we all don't get fucked.

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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
Every time you make a new version, it gets worse, what is DR5 gunna be textbased?
Right, now you have pissed me off. If you havent noticed there was just a major patch and change in opcodes, this doesn't mean EQEMu is getting worse, it means n00bs like you are making it seem like it because you don't know what the fuck you are doing and we don't feel like holding your hand every step of the way.

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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
Thanks for reading this, and hopefuly the Dev's will learn from this.
Learn??! Haha, how about the complete opposite. Maybe fix up your grammar a bit and be a little more polite instead of having a n00b rant and maybe it might have made a little dent.

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Originally Posted by Flame_storm
Thank your for putting the time in it you have, im not saying i dont appriciate your work, im trying to get the point into your head that you should just do the job right, especialy when no one has anything to fall back on like DR4, you have to patch, then when all DR4 server SUCK cuz of some things you decided not to fix...
Decided not to fix? You and your clan of n00b ninjas friggin rushed the release of DR4 so you could play, now the devs take their time to fix it and you start to complain? Go start your own emulator bish, you aren't welcome here anymore.

I'm (not) sorry sir, but...
YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Xabob 06-10-2004 04:23 PM
All i can say to you man is what a





ASS

aendaar 06-10-2004 05:04 PM
flame_storm (and anybody else who has complained like him), show some freaking respect [insert everything that has been said] you dont contribute in any way to this project, and have no right to bitch about it. if your so unhappy, go setup your own server with your own software that you put hours into programming...and then you can say how much EQEmu: Developers Release 4 sucks... i may do nothing for this community but at least i dont bitch about software offered to me for free.. and you all shouldnt either

monalin crusader 06-10-2004 05:08 PM
Wow so what its got a couple errors. What about everything they've fixed since they started... wait how about actualy takeing the time and actualy writing it all.

Its time to be greatful you can play withought paying or customize your server a little to make eq like you've always wanted.

EQemu is a hard project because at any time Sony can change any file you've got to download and then the devs are faced with another problem of finding out what changed they made withought actualy know what the source code is.

Yes we could not patch to live but if we dont patch to live no one else can play EQEmu and whats the point in that?

Second of all before you start flaming to all these developers how about you post one useful bit of information on this board or help one person fix a problem you've already found an answer to.

thedammz 06-10-2004 06:45 PM
All i have to say is this guys a fucking dumb ass. Im shure some probably dont no what dr meens witch is Developer Releases . But alot of us no the problems well get fixed in time. So far they done great on dr4s considering there people puting money out of there own pockets or geting donations from some one. I meen u gotta now soe wants to break eqemu for good its one of there goals and that meens bugs well be a problem for eqemu. I no i would rather play servers with new stuff that gets put in by soe but its gonna take time and alot of problems to fix to get right but i trust the devs well get it runing good some time soon.
Oh if eqemu ran so good that bugs never broke eqemu u would think soe would try to do some thing to get rid

EDIT: me saw some mistakes i made but i fixed

Sakrateri 06-10-2004 10:54 PM
Errr.
 
Wow, what to say to such strong hatred . I am no programmer and therefore I appriciate what has been done for us and givin so freely. I know what DR means and so I have decided to keep my server as 5.6 and keep working on that until a "virtually" bug free version has been released. Allow me to make this apparent to those that may have no clue (hint, topic starter) I play live and over the years have come to the realization that EQ LIVE will NEVER be bug free and if you do not believe then just go here http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board?board.id=tech
So what these Devs have done with this is amazing to say the least. And to that end for those that are unhappy with getting stuff for free why dont you do the right thing and keep your mouth shut or lend a hand or a few dollars so they can continue the great work. Oh and what a great way to get attention you FUCKING CRY BABY !!


Sakrateri, server op . Fates Destiny !

Fajo 06-11-2004 02:53 AM
Lol See you did not hurt the dev's with that dumbass little rant that seemed to make mostly no sence but you also managed to piss off the comunity that knows whats really goin on so just stfu and eather ban your self or never talk in public again its idiots like you that fuck the rest of us so do us a favor and STFU

Derision 06-11-2004 02:59 AM
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Banned? How about pubically humiliated.
That made me chuckle :D

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 04:55 AM
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Flame_storm 06-11-2004 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by aendaar
flame_storm (and anybody else who has complained like him), show some freaking respect [insert everything that has been said] you dont contribute in any way to this project, and have no right to bitch about it. if your so unhappy, go setup your own server with your own software that you put hours into programming...and then you can say how much EQEmu: Developers Release 4 sucks... i may do nothing for this community but at least i dont bitch about software offered to me for free.. and you all shouldnt either
BTW i am contributing, im studying DR4, and i run the Packet sniffer on my Linux comp when i do play live, What have you done?

govtcheeze 06-11-2004 05:14 AM
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LOL it worked...

HAH, kool, im sorry guys, i didnt mean any of that...

Just made a bet with friend to see if i could not get banned by posting this.

LOL

Realy i didnt mean any of it, YOU dev's do good work, and im working on laerning VC++ to help.

I kno that DR4 is shitty, like all DR4 server, cept Scorpius, that server seems to hold well together prety well.

Dont take any of this personaly, i thot i was gunna lose bet when you locked forum =/

WOO!
This excuse ranks right up there with OMFGZERS I WAS SO DRUNK WHEN I POSTED THIS LOLZ OMGZERZ!

In other words, don't bother and piss off.

monalin crusader 06-11-2004 05:35 AM
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im studying DR4, and i run the Packet sniffer on my Linux comp when i do play live, What have you done?
OMG guys hes studying. What a great help to us. How bout you write some code or do some db stuff.

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 05:57 AM
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NecromancerZ 06-11-2004 06:01 AM
I think its to late for sorry looks like the damage has been done Flame Storm.

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 06:03 AM
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govtcheeze 06-11-2004 06:24 AM
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Pretty Pathetic way to get attention if your lonely.
Shhhhhhh....listen carefully. Thats the sound of irony lapping at your eardrums.

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 06:28 AM
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Xabob 06-11-2004 06:37 AM
Lol i still think you are a ass for wasting the space and bandwith


Tho i don't belive this was a bet i think you are faking it cuz as posted b4 you ware drunk when yea posted this :P oh well i know i have started things like this lol best thing to do is just stop responding :)

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 06:41 AM
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Flame_storm 06-11-2004 06:43 AM
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Flame_storm 06-11-2004 06:46 AM
Im gunna take ur advice and stop posting here, i kno i will dig myself in a deeper hole.

Thanks for posting, im sorry that some, if all, of you took this personaly, and i regret my decision that i made.
I hope you can all forget this, and move on.
Sorry for wasteing bandwith(if any) and your time.

Charmy 06-11-2004 07:03 AM
<points to the edit button at the top of his post>.

Flame_storm 06-11-2004 07:07 AM
DOH lol. Better do that now.

Virus11 06-11-2004 07:19 AM
It's too late, everyone hates you allready.

loderunner 06-11-2004 07:42 AM
Not me.
 
Not everyone hates you, especially not for speaking your mind. I know thats frowned on around here, but if you are going to do it have the balls to stand by it, and not shrivel up like that.


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