Rudeness
 

Now, this user came from Aol proxies EVERY time... Here are some examples of his addresses:

205.188.208.169
152.163.252.226
205.188.209.82
205.188.208.172
205.188.208.102

How serious should I take an AOL luser? I mean, he can't even use a real internet provider, and he wants to start up his own server? His IQ isnt as high as Forrest Gumps... cause he's not running a Mac...

all i can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHA"

Oh, and I forgot, he posted all support questions in the WRONG AREA. Where it is clearly marked as "DO NOT POST SUPPORT QUESTIONS!" as a sticky at the top of the forum!

Things as simple as installing the system, and would ask again even after the readme was pointed out, and he would also post 3 - 4 times in 10 minutes because nobody would answer him.

Hogie
 

Hey boss....was just wondering, is there any kinda rough eta on patcher coming back up? If there isn't one or you do not want to answer or i shouldnt have asked here....feel free to delete this message and sorry for bothering you. If not....well, an eta would rock :D Thanks

heh
 

hey hogie, you should find the guy and jay and silent bob him hahahaha... lemme know ill help :twisted:

I think it's unprofessional to repost something like that on the front page. It makes you look like you have a 'holier-than-thou' attitude.

It's all about profesionalism, and that's how people perceive your project.

I agree with him being a moron about using AOL as a service provider. Next, what a moron for all the 7th grade words. I talked like that back in uh...... yeah 6th or 7th grade. Big Shitter? I got bigger crap on deck that could choke a donkey. lol

"I got bigger crap on deck that could choke a donkey. lol"

Heh, so you've upgraded to a 9th grade level?

Aspirax: If you dont like it, you can leave. Im tired of people like him sending me private messages like that. Would you rather me just drop the project? And you guys wonder why the devs dont go out of their way to help people with basic questions when they wont even help themselves.

Holy crap. "If you don't like it you can just leave."

My God. How old are you? Start acting like a project lead and not a snotty teen-ager.

The best rule about private messages:
If you don't like them ignore them.

It goes hand in hand with "you can just leave".

When you are a public figure, heading a project like this you can expect annoying people. Deal with them. :)

I have to side with Aspirax here. Putting up a post like this in a public forum for the sole purpose of trying to humiliate someone, no matter how much he deserves it, appears childish at the best.

Like in everything else, there are always bad apples to deal with. Can't please everyone. That's what a free world is all about.

And don't start playing that "I'll drop the project if I'm not happy card" all the time. Grow up man, show you're a better person and just let it slip by quietly.

Asp: This isn't a professional project. Why should it be treated as one? This is a freely available project that the devs, and a host of other people donate their time, and some like Hogie, donate ALOT of money too. If you were paying for it, you would have some right to complain as to the content of what goes into the forums by the admins. You've been around for awhile, but what makes you think we should have to just take anything thats thrown at us?

As it stands, I think it's Hogie's personal right to repost hate mail sent to him. Ton's of other sites projects do it, some even have special forums devoted just to hate mail. We are supposed to just endure personal attacks, hate mail, name calling, just because we decided we want to help work on this project? Thats horses**t..

You would be amazed at the number of hateful PM's I have, and IM's because I decided to post that address, from people who EXPECT us to jump at their beck and call. Frankly, I'm sick of it too....

One guy posted hate mail on the forums because I didnt drop Valentines day dinner with my fiance and help him set up a server when he wouldnt read instruction 1.

We're aholes for pointing out to everyone that we won't tolerate that kind of childishness ?

As far as Hogies comment about giving up on the project, go ahead and criticize the one person who bled for this project and spent more time than anyone else holding it together. You guys have gotten a successful EQ emulator out of this and have not had to pay one single dime, and youre mad because he just annoyed by some hate mail and posted it ??

Amen Brother TC :)

I've run and currently run free services for years. Going on 9 or 10.

I always treat people with respect and profesionalism. Sure, I'm not saying there aren't some 13 year old punks who get under my skin. But I've learned over the years that there is one thing that gets under people's skin more than anything.

When someone is mad at you, and sends/posts something rude, obnoxious, replying in a polite, professional manner pisses them off. They want to egg you on. They want you to get bent out of shape. Even when it does, never let it show. *That* is the best way to fight back.

I'll expect that you guys might figure this out one day.

However, I don't think because you work on this project, throw money and time at it, gives you a green light to be a dick to people.

Going around threatening to close the project, or saying "I've put money into this" is a valid response. No one is making you. You chose to do it. Your decision. Not mine. If you choose to spend your money on something else, that's (again) your decision.

However, I am a proponent of being somewhat polite even under attack. I don't think that asking a project lead to not run around acting like a spoiled a brat is a big deal.

I love coming to the page and checking for updates. I do it all the time, and I don't even play EQ, I'm interested in the project and advancements. However, when I log on and I see posts like today's (and I've seen many) I get a sour taste in my mouth and think, "Who are these people, that they are so rightous?"

But apparently, by your line of reasoning, registering for a free account and getting access to post on these forums gives them the right to be dicks to us?


Maybe Hogie should draft up an automated reponse.

'Thank you for your insults and criticism. I will share your humilation of my mother with the rest of the team, and we look forward to whatever future deflamations of our characters that you care to share.'


This is real life brother.. Sometimes we're nice people, sometimes we're not, to expect someone to be nice and polite and to turn the other cheek ALL the time is probably an unrealistic expectation.



You have your right to your opinion, and I respect that, but I don't agree at all

For someone that just commented on always being professional and polite when you are insulted, that seems to be a bit of an acinine remark don't you think? You say that one should always be polite, then call him a spoiled brat all in the same line. Thats is perhaps the FASTEST case of doublespeak I've ever seen.

They can do whatever they like. Like he said, if you don't like it, you're free to leave.

I've seen a LOT of bulldookie get thrown around for inane problems, and it happens even to me. I don't claim to have any power, and rightly so, but I donate time and money to the project. I often go out of my way to resolve every problem I can in the support forums, and it wears on me. I'm sure it wears on the devs more, because there's even more that they can solve that they've solved 1000 times, just to have some guy refuse to read the canned solution.

If you won't read the canned solution, despite it being tried and true, then you disrespect the person suggesting it. And if you disrespect them for helping you, you deserve their disrespect in return.

If the devs were paid for their time, then there would be some reason for them to save face, cover it up, and forgive the customer. But there is no customer. The user is not always right. If they want to return ill will, let them do so without censure.

No it doesn't. I didn't say that. Do *not* put words in my "mouth".

I'm telling you that an "eye for an eye" is immature. You need to act bigger than that. If you can.

And your post, is exactly why this project is viewed as run by a bunch of "teenagers" from the outside world.

Now, go look at other free, large projects.
phpBB, the forums you use, go read their support.

You won't see anyone being condescending there.
I can list more, if you wish. Or you can continue to present yourselves to the world as "childish, righteous, rude," etc, etc.

EQEmu is a great project, and for that I am grateful to everyone who participates. I'm not "mad" at Hogie, I'm simply dissappointed. No, EQEmu isn't a professional project. But nonetheless, when you have the leaders acting up, it makes it that much more difficult to take it seriously.

This is an opinion, not an attack. I just hope Hogie will think about this is an objective light.

Ok, now back to pretending to work so I can find out more about zoning and that login bug...

Stop retorting if you're bigger than them. I swear, you're being a hypocrite. "If you can." is just another retort. For someone who's "bigger than that", you sure throw a lot of punches.

Obviously, you aren't reading for content. I don't throw any punches.

Thanks for the insult. That's all I needed to prove my point. I know I'm calling you a hypocrite and egging you on, and I know you're calling the devs childish for that, but you claimed to be bigger than that.

What you are doing now, is antagonizing me.

I'm not insulting you. Quit trying to play things up.
"Read for content" is just that. I make some valid points, if you read my posts for what they are you will see them.

You are not. No insult, none intended.
If I wanted to insult you, I would. I have no desire to insult someone I don't even know.

That's just silly.

you say "Seriously" ?

EQ = game
EqEmu = hobby
Devs = people having fun with their hobbies
insults/rants/flaming = devs not having fun anymore
not having fun anymore = no more EqEmu.

As long as this project remains free, leaders, managers and devs must be supported by their community, not ranted or insulted, if they are, WHATEVER is their reaction as long as it stays rationnal, it MUST receive the full support of the community. If you don't support them, don't donate, just whine and rant, you have nothing to do here.

I totally support Hogie, Trump, A_guest and everybody that will follow that path, there's no place for the jerks and peeps who don't see farther than their nose.

"I totally support Hogie, Trump, A_guest and everybody that will follow that path, there's no place for the jerks and peeps who don't see farther than their nose."

Don'r you understand that the devs are acting exactly like you describe?

Or is the "dish it out, but cannot take it" attitude supported by the community as well?

I read the content of your messages and totally understand it (even if its not my native language).

Life isnt as easy as saying all the time, 'sorry i misunderstood that insult, can you detail it more please, i would like to know why you're complaining of all those free services i offer you'.

If a guy who represents a wide part of the project is insulted and answers the same way, i agree, yes, even more if i know that he prolly answered correctly the 499 first times, which is certainly what happened.

Go ahead and resturn the insult! Don't post it all publicly. That's just not cool. That's playing dirty to intentionally get the support of the community in an "I'm right" ego trip.

well, if you get to many insulting pm, you perhaps need to know if you have the support of the community. Their might be a point where some kind of saturation could happen, and then, you just explose, boooom (i know that hehe).
but you know, i seriously think that some people need to see some public executions to understand the rules... Not everybody, like you or 99% of the readers of that forum, can evaluate their words before they write them and understand what they read... :oops:

Do you like Bickering like schoolgirls?
 

ok, everything about EQEmu is great, the support is great, the ideas are great, everything. so y do people insist on finding something wrong? it has been my experience that people just have to have SOMETHING to complain about at any one time, and yes, i am complaining right now, im a person afterall. but leave the damned Devs alone. when you start donating 100 bux a week to THEIR project then YOU can have your say, otherwise piss off. if they want to be childish then dammit they can be. i have seen nothing but astute, polite behavior from any of them for any reason, even with the stupid mongrels who dont read the README before asking how to run the program, or with the people who got outta line first. if i was putting my money into something like this, and was getting CONSTANTLY flamed for running it like I want to, id react the same way, sure you can say "thanks for the insult have a nice day" the first 10 times, and "you people are getting annoying but its ok" till the 1000th time, but at 1001, id be pretty sick of hatemail for something GREAT that i made, and id start responding with fuck you very much, have a shitty day. id say the devs do pretty good restraining considering the rest of you started retorting after what, one little "yo mamma..." insult?

"but leave the damned Devs alone. when you start donating 100 bux a week to THEIR project then YOU can have your say, otherwise piss off"

I guess you are not familiar with the constitution of the United States. Specfically Amendment #1.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...tml#amendmenti

I don't have to pay 100 "bux" a week to their project to discuss their behavoir.

The government allows me to do it for free.

Furthermore, a project without criticism is a project going no where.
Critisism can be constructive, and beneficial. However, here, it seems that it is is just not tolerated.

Yeah, Aspirax :) Donate $20/mo. and I'm sure Hogie will see things closer to your perspective. But when 100 children spoil the fun of the 12 adults, and piss one off badly, then he's going to pop. Hogie has RL issues to deal with, and money is one of them. He loves the project, but doing something for free when you have RL issues can get on your nerves. If he were more comfortable, I'm sure he'd be more jolly. Cut him some slack. He doesn't rampage often enough for it to be a problem. Khuong's the loose cannon! I seen you, Khuong! I seen it!

How about you all just chill out and stop crying. As has been said before, this is a free service. If you don't like the way it's going get off your ass and do something to make it better and stop bitching. Hogie and Trump and all the devs out there do an insane job as it is doing all they do with jobs, etc.

If you disagree with what Hogie did, keep it to yourself.

"If you don't like the way it's going get off your ass and do something to make it better and stop bitching."

"If you disagree with what Hogie did, keep it to yourself."

Which is it? Should I discuss potential problems to make the project present itself more maturely or should I keep it to myself?

Yes thanks for generalism, I didnt know that I was acting like that. Thanks for the pointer :)

In this case yes, you can continue screaming at a brick wall, or shut up about it. You aren't doing any good, and being asinine about it at that. If you want to be mature about it send him an email, and try not to be nasty there.

Okay, okay, you got me there.
I don't know each of the devs, or how they act on the forums.

My apologies. This was just a specific case with this posting thread.

I'm not being nasty. I said, in a very reasonably polite post that I perceive it to be unprofessional to post what was posted.

It was many forum members that got nasty with me, telling me to help make things better, but shut up at the same time.

Then take the advice you are given and you won't have a problem. The professional way of doing these things isn't making a scene on a public board, but in fact, try to address the issue privately, outside of "public scrutiny."

To be honest, I don't understand why you would want the project to be more "mature". I like it laid-back. I like it rough. If Hogie were more professional, he'd censure everyone for posting in the wrong forums, and suggest they not do that anymore, yadda yadda yadda. He lets a lot slide, and I think that's a good thing.

He really doesn't rampage enough for it to be a problem, and it's always with people who refuse to acknowledge that they should reevaluate their course of action.

That's now my job, and it's going to start happening more. I've watched these boards go way out of hand and they need some moderation.