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					Originally Posted by  James76
					 
				 
				So I went to Paineel, by creating an Erudite, I figured he'd get his newb key, nope.  Had to look it up in the database.  Key #6378 will open the elevator, and attaches to keyring properly.  Key 6379 is the hole key, and adds to keyring too.  Now I destroy both keys after using them, and he still can open those doors. 
			
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 Which DB and code revision are you using? New heretic Erudites start with their key fine on PEQ 1129a. They have for some time ever since starting_items was fixed in the code.