you made a real difference...
I altered things to the way you all advised, now I can get players from inside the lan perfectly

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from WAN, still getting the "failed connection", can you give a bit more advice on this?.. we are SOOOO close

Is it because I remmed out the <address>otherworld.myvnc.com</address>
<localaddress>127.0.0.1</localaddress> ??
again, many many thanks for your time
