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Originally Posted by Raguel

blah blah blah freakin blah...

I took the time to read your lovely post...so I hope you'll do the same for me.
Ok, I'll get to your points here:

Originally Posted by Raguel

You know, i sat here, and i pondered whether to just be an ass and flame you guys, or to try to develop some sort of arguement supporting non legit play.........what i've come to is the conclusion that it doesn't matter what i post, the reaction will still be the same.

I'll start off by saying that supporting non-legit play would be better served by hosting a server or supporting them directly in some way. Coming on and stirring up shit with the legit players doesn't support non-legit play in any way. So I'll take the rest of this drabble as flaming

Originally Posted by Raguel

TRUE: players that exploit bugs should be dealt with....but who's fault is it really? Isn't the best way to stop someone from exploiting a bug........now get this........by FIXING OR REMOVING THE BUG?.....i've always felt the same way about exploiting bugs in EQLive......remove the temptation and there won't be a problem.

Bugs in EQEmu are being fixed constantly, so I really don't see where your argument lies here. I can think of over 20 bugs that were fixed in GW within the first couple of weeks that it was up (either by their direct fix or EQemu general fixes). Unfortunately, people will always find a way to exploit..even in Live they do to this day. It's impossible to completely rid a game of some form of unintended bug.

Originally Posted by Raguel

TRUE: cheat items are bad for the game...

There's no issue with cheat items that I'm aware of in GW. It uses a database that mirrors EQLive before Kunark and many other changes were implemented. Some of us LIKE that time period of Live and can't get it anymore...even if we wanted to go to Live to enjoy pure legit play. I bet you never thought of this huh?

Originally Posted by Raguel

TRUE: if someone doesn't like legit play, they should feel free to go play on a non legit server. that is getting harder and harder to do. there is ONE stable legit server to date. and the mods there say it will soon be going legit. This blows my mind for many reasons; chief among them is the fact that it is the most popular non-green server based on 2 criteria 1). server stability 2). it is non legit. Sure, there are plenty of non-legit servers out there, but they are all flash in the pan servers (i.e. usually gone after a few days). Most will tell you (especially frequent forum posters) that this is because EVERYONE wants legit play.............this could be no further from the truth. all evidence suggests that the MAJORITY of EQEmu players are against legit play.

That is true. But why is it our fault? You're on some holier than thou crusade to piss on our enjoyment of the system. You don't see players wanting legit play getting on non-legit servers and moaning about the ability to #level and #summon and all...then come to the boards and rain on YOUR parade hmm? Look, if you want better non-legit servers..then host one yourself. I don't give a rats ass that you have a router problem. Work around it (get a non-router solution..new isp maybe??) or pay for a host to setup a server for you. OTHER people have taken that route before. If you're not willing to support the non-legit server aspect in any way wether by hosting yourrself or by providing financial support to those who share your view...then all you're good for is coming here and bitching and moaning. That makes you pretty worthless in most people's eyes..including mine. In fact the only reason I'm doing this is to hopefully give you a clue that some of us like legit for a reason and we don't have to explain ourselves to the like of you.

I don't KNOW which side has more players and you don't KNOW either..so until you can show some hard evidence...shut the hell up because it doesn't matter. I do KNOW though that the evidence favors more LEGIT players as the supply and demand would indicate that.

Originally Posted by Raguel

when i've asked server ops and admins about removing the bugs and items that are being exploited, they always say, without fail "we're looking into that. you have to understand that the db is HUGE, and there are still many many bugs to be dealt with". while i can emphathize, i also have to point out that you've already gone to the trouble of creating your own server, customizing databases and countless other programs, and put in hundreds of hours towards development and so on, yet there are still THOUSANDS of bugs....

Do you even help with the development of a server or the code at ALL?!? These people have lives you know..and it has been a huge task just to get to where we are now. Some of these folks have sacrificed thousands of man hours and dollars to bring this to us. They can't just fix things on a whim sometime. They have families, lives, jobs to attend to as well. Ungrateful ass! (remember, I deduced that your post was a flame, so I reserve the right to call you names :twisted: )

Originally Posted by Raguel

this is what i'm getting at....how can ANYONE even begin to fathom playing on a "legit" server with so many bugs in place?? i have tried so hard to understand this, but i simply can't. most "legit" servers aren't even populated with mobs to fight, let alone loot and quests

GW has plenty of mobs and loot tables. Where did you look? Get your head out of your ass and maybe you'd see. Also, there were quite a few people leveling up legitimately using no bugs or exploits..even to level 50. I'm not saying there aren't any bugs out there...but sometimes you just have to alter things a bit to enjoy them without the bugs. Yes there is usually a way to work around any bug currently.

I'll move on to the end now and ignore most of the rest of your idiocy..since it bears no meaning towards my issue here. Again, you have a holier than thou attitude:

Originally Posted by Raguel

there's one fact that everyone seems to be overlooking, and it IS fact. non legit players have existed FAR LONGER here than legit players. to think that people were drawn here initially for "legit" play is ludicrous. every single one of us logged on to EQEmu for the exact same reason; to take advantage of the item database. not for the swell dynamic quest content, not for the social player base, but to simply twink out their dream toon. while i can understand that many of you would deny this, i don't need validation to know this is truth. it's common sense. it's common knowledge in fact.

Again, how do you KNOW?? I've lurked here since THE beginning. When AGX was an newborn..I was watching. When hackersquest had a few hundred forum members total...I was lurking. And guess what...I wanted legit play. I wanted legit play with just a small portion of the population that you're forced to play with in Live. I don't enjoy the thousands of people competing over loot. IMHO a server is best with about a 50-75 playerbase. So, you're statement again, is false unimformed. You're making ASSumptions.

Honestly, noone really cares what you think...and I just wanted to stand up for what I believe in...not to come here and bring you down (although you must be smoking something..so come down please).

You claim that we're suppressing you in some way. I don't see any evidence of this. The only time legit players EVER harp on the #levelers is when THEY invade GW or another legit server and start bellyaching on why they can't be level 65 with plane armor immediately. Well, we get tired of hearing this twenty times a day..you would too.

So, in conclusion, I'll restate my main point. I play legit because thats what I like to do...its real simple. I enjoy GW because they are VERY close to EQLive before Kunark and most of the big changes. I can't get this ANYWHERE else...including Live. I was a dev for Winters Roar (which is unfortunately dead now). We had working quests, loot tables, and all zones were populated and ran well. It is possible to have a purely legit server...maybe not totally bug free..but Verant can't even lay claim to that either.

Look, I hate to sound like a broken record...but go fix your problem yourself. Learn the code, fix the bugs. Host a server or pay for a host yourself. Can't take it? Well, I'm sorry...but the legit players will never leave just like I'm sure some of the non-legit players will ever leave. Noone really ultimately cares so long as they have fun right? I'm having fun (well, when GW is back up). If you're not having fun...how is this my fault? Don't take your non-fun-having 5 year old attitude out on us...it's really quite pointless.