generally frustrated :(

[erzengelb]

Well, it's been getting harder and harder to find non-legit servers to play on. The Gates of Norrath is seemingly gone now, was the last server I enjoyed at all. I just can't stomach playing on legit or semi-legit servers; Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate and respect the countless hours of toil that has gone into these servers. However, any way you slice it, it's still broken play. Severall AAs, spells, skills and quests still don't work as intended. And while I understand that it's a monolithic undertaking, I just don't feel like fooling with it. To me, there is no point in levelling up a broken class in a broken version of the game.

EQEmu has always been for me a place where I could do and see things I would never get to experience in the live version. I.E., non-legit play. Seeing just how much HP i could get on a warrior with gear and spells, for example. Trying to solo very difficult encounters solo or duo. To me, EQEmu has always been about sandbox play. Never about trying to emulate live. Because it never will. Even now, in it's most stable and playable form thus far, it's still at least a year behind live.

And I fully understand the limitations of trying to stay compatible with Live, it's impossible. I guess I'm just frustrated because there are no more non-legit servers to play on. To me, that was the point, rather than forcing myself to level up with several handicaps. I imagine it was the abusers and a$$hats that did away with non-legit play...lord knows I was vocal a few years ago trying to preserve it. But to no avail it seems.

I know what many of you are thinking; "If you want a non-legit server, why don't you just make your own???". Excellent question. And please believe me when I say I tried. I tried very hard. You see, I'm not a network administrator. I didn't get an associate's degree at ITT or Devry. My computing knowledge is quite limited. All I know to do is follow the very few tutorials that are available, and honestly, with software updating so quickly (newer versions), it's little wonder someone like me would get frustrated trying to setup a server, only to get errors at even the earliest stages of the setup. No, I tried, and would absolutely love to have my own server, but I'm simply not smart enough. Which is exactly what I was told by several folks, including developers and moderators, in irc chat when I tried to get assistance. While I certainly didn't appreciate being called moron/idiot/clownshoes??, I also understand that experts in a field can't stand what they consider elementary and needless questions. Then again, how many ITT/Devry graduates are really an expert at anything? Sorry, bad taste...

No, I learned long ago to keep my mouth shut if I didn't understand something, so creating a server is out for me.

So I guess the whole point of this, besides to vent (and it's not really a vent, it's just a video game, and free at that, so not a big deal I guess) is to swallow some pride and BEG someone to create a non-legit server for us non-legitties to play on.

I mean, in all honesty, and in all fairness to the community, I would rather pay 15 bucks a month for smooth legit play than struggle for free...:/

Having said that, I still fully support EQEmu and am thankful for its existence.

[kedra]

Send me an email at dwmaze at gmail dot com. I will help you up a server if you want.

When i came to EQEmu I didn't even know how to create a zip file..

The directions are there you just need to follow them step by step.


The directions are so clear I have had my children create a server with no help from me, just following the directions.


People who say they cant either haven't tried or didn't follow the directions.

Now there are some weird issues that pop up, and the support on the forums for them is there, and good.

[CrabClaw]

When I came her I knew nothing either and had to figure it all out by myself and scarfing the wiki's and reading old posts for ideas. If you can get a minilogin server running you can tweak it from there, I do all the time (item and money drop rates, various server variables and even making my own quests, and tradeskill recipes). But don't be afraid to ask for help.

But one thing with the Emu scene is that it is always changing sometimes things are awsome and then things turn to something that you might not like. I usually take it in stride and roll with it.

What type of server/rule set are you looking for though? EQEmu will always be kinda 50/50 a playing game and a tweakers/hobbyist pastime. I love to get into the database and mess with things, learn a little more Perl and SQL, and try to contribute something cool when I can, but I do love to kick back with a friend and farm CoM or Dulak for cool stuff too.

I do realize though EQ is a UBER-HUGE game and they will never get every zone, expansion, spell, quest, monster spawn, class AA, and instance to work 100% or even by the book. Although, this is something that every MMO-emu shares and they all are in a persistent state of ratcheting progress. I do think the progress this EMU has made over the last year has been amazing, and as long as people contribute to the hobby it will only get better.

[erzengelb]

This is the guide I attempted to use for setup;

http://techguynky.com/Documents/Guide.pdf

It seemed more user friendly and less condescending than the wiki, which for some reason i'm unable to locate the setup guide there at this time. I am aware that the above guide has some typos, but at least I could follow along. I imagine my problem comes from the timeliness of that particular guide. I remember particularly that I couldn't locate the same version of MySQL he was using, and one of my first big hiccups involved trying to import the peq db into MySQL.

Regardless, it didn't work after trying for three days and being made to feel like an idiot in irc may float some boats, but not mine.

As for locating and reading the info available, please keep in mind that a novice like me can't differentiate what works and what USED to work. While there are tons of helpful folks involved with this project, and I hate to say this, there are a larger number who just want to feel superior and lord it over the rest of us. I imagine their day jobs are customer service and tech support in real life. Nothing I can do to change that.

What's the big turnoff with non-legit play anyway? How can twinking yourself out and taking Kerafyrm solo possibly be any more boring than levelling up 70 levels without working quests, a player econmy or a complete implement of abilities?

I don't mean to sound so whiney. I'll get with that guy and try to get a server working I suppose. Wish me luck I guess.

[Zengez]

I think the big reason people like to play the 70 levels is because it gives more a feeling of legitimate accomplishment, and the dynamic when you do something fun with some friends that you can then talk about the next day about how you 'just barely pulled through that terrible train you called a pull!' etc etc... That being said I think you touched on a good point which is that everyone always says to go read the wikki, which I think is a good idea that most people don't both trying... which leads to the frustration on the end of those that try to help, because they end up answering the same questions a billion times (Wait... you're saying I should get titanium and not patch to live? What difference does it make? why can't you do it BETTER?... etc...) and yes.... even the nicest people get pretty short tempered in that situation.

All that being said though, the wikki seems to be outdated on some very important areas, like how to set up a server (last I checked which has been a little while I'll admit) and although all the information is availible, it is only availible to those that know where to find it... you need to sift through sections to find helpful tid bits and put them together yourself most of the time... Really the best part of the wikki is the use by the coders and the database workers, because they really know how to take useful bits and leave the outdated parts... But to a guy that doesn't have any idea what is good or what is outdated, it can be a maze...

Point of the story? Stop complaining about it and fix it... thats what makes a wiki great, you can update it. I would do so myself if I had time, which is unfortunately the excuse most people use, but in a project like this it's the unavoidable byproduct... We're a ragtag group of people doing work in our free time... which isn't terribly often nowadays at least for me

and... thats that. /rant off.

[Angelox]

Originally Posted by erzengelb

there are a larger number who just want to feel superior and lord it over the rest of us. I imagine their day jobs are customer service and tech support in real life. Nothing I can do to change that.

You know, I thought this too at one time, but I can tell you, you're wrong (and so was I). These people you look for are just not around; they leave everything running (Mirc server or client and what-not), but they are not there. The times I have caught them on, they have been very nice and cooperative to me.
But like I said, I used to *think* this, not go around ranting it, because if I would have, then I really would have them pissed at me and would never have gotten any help.
You don't need any help of any kind on running your own server - I didn't, and if I didn't , then no one else does. I learned everything I know right here in these forums. Not even the Wiki! Just the forums. When I needed to learn perl, I looked on the web, and MySql the same.
I'm "living proof" anyone can run a server and customize it anyway they want - all you need is the will and patience to do it.
Hell, I can hardly even type! no one ever taught me, so I have to look at the keyboard and find the letters with my two fingers.