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General::General Discussion General discussion about EverQuest(tm), EQEMu, and related topics.
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View Poll Results: How do you feel about EQ Titanium support?
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I would buy EQ Titanium if it worked with EQEmu.
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No way am I gunna spend $20 to play a game, But I'll find a torrent.
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LIVE OR BUST! Even if it means nothing ever gets fixed again.
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Im happy the way it is, keep fixing bugs.
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02-21-2006, 03:56 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Patching Alternatives
We are posting this poll to get a feeling for how the community stands on the future compatibility of eqemu. Nothing is garunteed to come of this, we are just putting out a feeler about a third alternative to the way things have been done. This being making eqemu compatible with the EQ Titanium client that comes on the CD, so anybody could play by getting ahold of the EQ Titanium CDs and doing a fresh install. Its always possible that they remaster the CDs with a different client, but we believe it is unlikely.
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02-21-2006, 05:09 PM
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Hill Giant
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: japan
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Idea
I think its a good idea. I bought the that version and still have the keys and cd's. Thinking about I have 6.0 client, 6.2 client and also live on my HDD. If you did go that route. Would you make it so they would be able to use it on 6.0 servers or 6.2 servers?
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02-21-2006, 06:06 PM
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6.0 is officially not supported by the devs anymore (there has been over 60000 lines of changes since then), anything we do will only be based on 6.4+.
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02-21-2006, 09:46 PM
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Demi-God
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I do not think that to use "TITANIUM" is a good idea for the community eqemu.
People distribute backpatch for titanium in the place of backpatch for last 0.6.4 version... I see future post asking TITANIUM's Links in place of backpatch ...
Forget Live's chase is forget Everquest's upgrade.
I would like to say much more things on this subject, but my knowledge of English is not strong enough.
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02-22-2006, 12:07 AM
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I built it I will Support it!
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Michigan
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I personally think that going with a fresh install from the CD would be a good idea but I can also see the downfall of it. As Belfidia said, instead of asking for a backpatch yes people would now be asking for these files, however, no matter what choice you make people are still going to ask for the client files. This is just going to happen either way. My other concern regarding this would be availability of the Titanium package. Sure right now you can buy it for $20 bucks, but what about in 6 months when they come out with another new expansion and then release an all new package deal. Or how about in a year, will the Titanium package still be available for those that want to buy it?
As for the good things, as long as the Titanium package remains available this would allow for the community to grow even more. No longer would people have to worry about patching at the right time. The Devs could then just stick to fixing old bugs, implementing new features and making a really solid emulator. Not having to worry about chasing live and what is broken now that it has been made compatable with live agian.
As for new features and things that get added with the new expansions I personally have not played any of the new expansions past LDoN and actually never made it to some of the content from before this even, so I do not care if the newer stuff ever gets implemented. I would be happy with just getting everything up to PoP working but that is just my own opinion on this.
All I am really trying to say is under the right circumstances I think that using the Titanium package for client compatablilty would be a great Idea. Well whatever you do decide to do I say, keep up the great work and thank you for providing all of us with a great emulator so far.
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02-22-2006, 02:55 AM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I think the best way is keep fixing bugs so we all get a better emulator. In this months of not live compat, devs got tons of things fixed that were broken for a long, long time. They even fixed bards!!
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02-22-2006, 12:51 PM
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Dragon
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 511
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Stopping on titanium would be an excellent idea, for those who got patched and for new members.
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02-22-2006, 01:20 PM
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Demi-God
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by Shadow-Wolf
Stopping on titanium would be an excellent idea, for those who got patched and for new members.
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Hum i think you don't understand something
If they work on the Titanium package, nobody have the correct patch, and all people must buy titanium package (old and new). I have 2 everquest bought, i don't want buy one more for a six month package release...
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02-22-2006, 02:39 PM
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well lets face it, theres not a ton of people around, most people are around because they found a back patch, and will do so again. At least would be a legal alternative that we could officially support.
As for the avaliability of titanium over time... theres still tons of copies of eq platinum selling on ebay frequently...
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02-22-2006, 03:10 PM
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Fire Beetle
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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First, I would like to personally thank FatherNitwit and everyone else who has been milling about with complex solutions to all of Sony's complex problems. While there can not be legal tech support for back patching on this site I would like to point out 2 major reasons why the switch to a pre-packaged sony product would create the same quagmire, even though it might grow the community.
First and formost, any prepackaged Sony product will infact use client side communications that are not concurrent with the latest version of EQEMU. I have been 3rd party to some discussions on how to fix various issues, and I can only imagine how FatherNitwit would manage to reinvent the client server communications and encryptions yet again. Aside from his metal well being this has a HUGE impact on the player base. It takes alot of time to dryroom the encryption. That means that even if there was a client in his hands right now, he wouldn't nessicarly be able to push a client to the community quickly. In that time no visable progress will occur. He does have a life after all, and it's not like we pay him. 
Secondly, There is no guarentee that Sony didn't have the foresight to actully produce a client that militantly protects it's self. While I don't think that Sony has much foresight, it is not out of the relm of possibilities that they would be sneaky. After all, Sony really doesnt' care for us. I could envision 2 schemes that would make it hard to make a client hackable.
First, rootkits that work with a key and a checksum. If you don't know what a rootkit is it's probably a good thing. Let's just say they could, as other companies have, install code that sinks deep into windows (or worse bios) and changes rules slightly. Say for example that they alter it so your eq client isn't the same as the version number stored on their server then eqgame.exe will not proceed past patching without eqhost and loginserver.ini returning a valid checksum. If these checksums aren't correct it purges your eq directory and prompts you to re-install. It may be quasi-legal, but worse has been done.
Second simply hardcode the loginserver.ini and the eqhost.txt into eq.exe. If it can't be edited, it's really not the big an issue for a game in the end of it's lifecycle, but it makes our lives very poor.
Imho the changes to EQEMU since I started have been very welcome. I would rather have a fully functioning world then a buggy one with more people. EQEMU has real progress, and that's something Sony only lied about on boxes and press releases.
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Sumlek <50-something Monk> PEQ ~ The Grand Creation 0.6.5
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02-23-2006, 03:05 AM
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Demi-God
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Originally Posted by Lordlemur
Second simply hardcode the loginserver.ini and the eqhost.txt into eq.exe. If it can't be edited, it's really not the big an issue for a game in the end of it's lifecycle, but it makes our lives very poor.
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I don't think this can be done. Why? I'm thinking the people who manage sony's domain names and servers are _completely_ different from the developers. If something goes down, they need to be able to change it and patch right away. Mayhaps not the best infrastructure, but.
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02-22-2006, 03:39 PM
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Demi-God
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Originally Posted by fathernitwit
well lets face it, theres not a ton of people around, most people are around because they found a back patch, and will do so again. At least would be a legal alternative that we could officially support.
As for the avaliability of titanium over time... theres still tons of copies of eq platinum selling on ebay frequently...
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Everquest Titanium isn't very present on warez site... to young for a too old game i think.
If it was just for say to new player, Yes you can play if you buy Titanium, np
make it, but don't hope stop backpatch/warez asking :(
That sure this is a legal issue, but I think about future debates : " kind I have already everquest why oblige me has itself to repurchase it... Have interests on the sales of Sony?" (It is excessive I know, I dramatize:p).
I prefer send 200$ to eqemu devs than 20$ to sony 
But the true question is How is the titanium pack ?
I have a platinium pack and without patching is'nt very usefull (that just install of all extension but need patch for fix client).
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Last edited by Belfedia; 02-22-2006 at 11:47 PM..
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02-22-2006, 05:10 PM
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Keep this in mind: I would not have posted this thread if we did not feel it was a very real and viable option. Theres nothing different or special about what comes on the titanium CDs.
I wouldent expect to see eq CDs on normal warez sites, beings that sony will let you download the entire thing for free... why bother.
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02-23-2006, 03:00 AM
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Demi-God
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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My opinion is that, while it will help some people who are willing to go buy it, EverQuest is not the most actively-pirated game, and lets face it, while many of us are not, many of the people here are just here for free everquest. There are still going to be people looking for titanium patches.
However. I do like the fact that the goal is to work on the pre-"all-these-unnecessary-revamps" client. In my opinion, I don't think we're any better moving to titanium than staying where we are now -- except that if we move, there will be alot of people who came for free everquest now without a client.
My 2 cents.
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02-23-2006, 03:24 AM
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Hill Giant
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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in the last 6 years i have bought so many EQ CDs
i have a pretty good stack of um here,
back in dec. i bought the digital download of EQ plat
just before titanium came out. if i had to buy titanium to be able to play EQEmu
i would but, seeing i have so many already and it would just me giving sony more money, id much rather donate to eqemu and just use all the stuff ive bought already
i paied sony for a char transfer with items and a week after that my account was banned
contacting sony they said ther was to many duplicate items on server...
made no since at all to me except i was just scamed by sony for the 75 bucks
then i buy the digital download of eq plat giving sony even more money like a dumb ass, played for 18 of the 30 days it came with , and been hanging out on these forums ever since waiting for when i will be able to come back
if EQEmu caught up to live twice a year that would be great, or if the devs did it where everyone had to buy titanium fine id just like to come back to EQEmu
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