Group Issues:

So_1337 · #1 08-09-2008, 06:57 PM

I suppose this request is more directed at Derision than anyone, but he has PMs turned off, so it winds up being made in public =P

A lot of frustration is based around the way that groups function currently. You wind up unable to chat if the group was formed in a different zone and someone was subsequently invited, and groups frequently need to be reformed.

This is more a question than anything -- is the current system of functionality we have for groups a work-around? Or is it simply buggy because we don't have some op_codes plugged in correctly?

I've seen a few different people (Derision, mainly, though) doing some really amazing work with op_codes lately, and was just wanting to see if the group system is as complete as we can make it. From what I understood, the main reason for raids not functioning was also to do with missing op_codes.

I really hope this doesn't come across as me volunteering someone else for work, I was just wondering what sort of state these systems are in and if there's an easy fix that can flesh them out fully. Thanks for any help taking a look at these.

**KLS** · #2 08-09-2008, 07:15 PM

The major reason for raids not working is that like groups they're a complex system that would have to interweave with an already less than stellar group implementation and various parts of the server. It's just messy and complicated. We pretty much have most if not all group and raid opcodes outside of some leadership stuff; at least for titanium.

So_1337 · #3 08-09-2008, 07:46 PM

That's all I need to hear, then. Raids are absolutely superfluous, anyway, and if groups are as good as we can make them then that's the most we can ask for. Thanks for the reply =)

**Derision** · #4 08-10-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by So_1337

A lot of frustration is based around the way that groups function currently. You wind up unable to chat if the group was formed in a different zone and someone was subsequently invited, and groups frequently need to be reformed.

I've never looked at the group code, so I have no idea what the problem is, so you were probably better posting this publicly

I'll have a look at it when I am done with the task system, which will be a while.

**KLS** · #5 08-10-2008, 05:52 PM

Server's just sending wrong packet sequence; same issue as when the creator of the group couldn't talk until he zoned. Difference is this is the first I'm hearing about this bug.

I guess I should also mention I'm not sure why. Client is way picky about group packets ><

**KLS** · #6 08-10-2008, 08:51 PM

Appears leader isn't being set when you change zones, only the zone where the group is formed and world knows who the leader is. We use the player profile for characters already in the group so they work fine from zone to zone mostly. But new invites in a zone that is unsure of the leader sends the leader as null and the client seems to go "well I've been told i have all these group members but the group has no leader so i must not be in a group". Which is retarded logic but we can fix it.

So_1337 · #7 08-10-2008, 09:51 PM

That would be excellent. I suppose that since this had gone by as it was for so long, that I thought it was something that was as good as it was going to be. Thanks for looking into it!

**KLS** · #8 08-11-2008, 03:05 AM

Got this one issue fixed but also have to deal with...

Players invited to a group wont learn members that are out of the zone and the members out of the zone wont get member updates. Some serious group de-sync issues that I need to fix as well, person who implemented this system didn't think this all out. -.-