someone fucked up the wiki...

[wraithlord98]

I spent over 16 hours looking through the wiki (what a piece of work that is let me tell you).. I lost count how many hours I spent rummaging through the forums.. I understand the devs are busy doing other stuff and I don't expect them to simply cough anything answers or to drop everything to answer a question they consider mundane; petty; and beneath them. But that gives them NO right to simply shit on someone else with an unbelievable attitude like they are the prima donna of coding.

I came here with the intentions to learn and to try and support the community and hopefully contribute something back in an effort to move this project forward. Instead - I'm met with criticism - skepticism - and what's worse I'm treated like garbage and I'm insulted. And you wonder why there's so few folks willing to contribute or step forward to help? I wonder just how many other folks were treated this very same way and run off by the attitude.

You want contributions? Here you go..... Here's a big one to start with.. What I've found is 90% of the stuff in the forums is out of date - so badly out of date in fact - that it has no real relevance to EQEmu as it stands now... So why is it still accessible?? Would you keep old and broken car parts around if you knew they couldn't ever be used again??? I think not.. where are your forum moderators?

There's so much crap (and yes - it's utterly crap) that a few of us in an effort to make heads or tails out of all of it - posted what was relavent to a personal website so that we could eventually update the wiki. And what do we get for making an effort? Shit on. Insulted. Belittled. Because we use a personal website to sort it - we're being anti community and we're stealing intellectual property? Who's more anti community... the one's with the attitude running off everyone and anyone who might help.. or the folks who are in the process of sorting out valid info/data from the invalid info/data? I could have just as easily saved the info to my hard drive.. what media I choose to sort the info out with is IRRELEVANT - because once done - it was going to be put back into the common files - in this case - the wiki (which is an utter piece of shit - anyone and everyone can make changes to it - and they may not have a clue on what they're doing). Point in case - there's around 5 or 6 different tutorials on setting up your own server.. now which one is up to date and 100% correct? Now - out of those.. how many folks just coming into the project would know which one is the most up to date and correct one? Point made.

And while we're at it.. let's discuss ownership of intellectual property - and the fit that was utterly thrown over code relating to a program we had been searching for... if you want to get technical about it - this entire community is based off of stolen intellectual property... Debate it.. Rename it.. use the wording you like to make you sleep well at night... Whatever floats your boat.. boil it down to what it is - Sony/Verant came up with the idea of EverQuest and all it's rich in game history and we have stolen it - but I'm not here to split hairs about that. Extremely few folks knew that EQExtractor was a personal pet project of FNW's.. all we knew is that we had found links to it all over the damn place - that it had been mentioned a lot - and it appeared to do what we were trying to do - which was to break out the data out of packet logs so that we could populate our server and fix various things like missing doors, incorrect spawn locations etc. Those very same posts in the forums point back to the CVS holdings and how to retrieve it.. and we stole it because we simply downloaded it to use it? Um - I think someone needs to take a hard look at the facts.

I'd like to say that instead of throwing a fit about it - why not just simply say that it was something that you had personally developed and that you didn't wish to release the code or share the program? Short.. sweet.. simple.. to the point.. and above all NOT done in an insulting or degrading manner... Rip apart the code to learn? I'm supposed to rip apart code I don't really understand - that I'm not supposed to have - and that's incomplete.. and I'm to learn from that? Ok - can we say - triple standards?

I'm not taking sides here.. things were said on both sides that were wrong.. and I'm not going to sit here and point fingers about who said what and diw what first to start all of this mess.. think what you will.. but at this point I highly doubt I'm going to make any sort of effort to contribute after how I got treated yesterday - and it's no wonder anyone else does for that matter. I did NOTHING WRONG but ask questions while trying to learn and for that - I got what I did yesterday... If that's how I'm to be treated for trying - I think I'll be one of the freeloaders tks and pls because there's less hassle involved.