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mystic414 · #1 09-22-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mattmeck

What SOE is doing isnt legal, Its just the fact SOE has more plat then me to pay for lawyers......

These forums have over 60,000 registered users (i'm not kidding). If even 10% of those users donated $10 to a "hire a lawyer to show SOE who's boss" fund, that'd bring in $60,000... that should be enough to get a decent lawyer

And that's if the average donation is $10. Just think how much that would bring in if people donated an amount around what it costs to buy a new PC game ($50 or more). Can you say, "over a quarter of a million dollars"?

mystic414 · #2 09-22-2005, 03:39 AM

And along those lines, if someone can actually organize something like that, I'd gladly donate at least $50 to the project, maybe more. After all the time I've spent playing with it, I'd say that would be pretty reasonable.

sdabbs65 · #3 09-22-2005, 03:42 AM

maybe 60 of them are adults
the rest of the 60,000 registered users are Kids and are broke..why do you think they play Freeservers.
you may get some money from the dedicated people but I doubt you will get anywhere near the funds they have.

mystic414 · #4 09-22-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sdabbs65

maybe 60 of them are adults
the rest of the 60,000 registered users are Kids and are broke..why do you think they play Freeservers.
you may get some money from the dedicated people but I doubt you will get anywhere near the funds they have.

60 adults? .1% of the registered users? I think that's a bit low... but even if you were right about that..

Kids aren't broke. They get allowances, and they get jobs. They have money to go to movies, buy video games, etc. And even barring that, they have parents they could easily weasle 10 bucks out of :P

$10 is practically nothing. Stay home from McDonalds once or twice and you've got it.

And you don't need to equal SOE's resources to stand up to them. You just need enough to get a decent lawyer, which, while not cheap, doesn't require the resources of an entire corporation to do.

sdabbs65 · #5 09-22-2005, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic414

60 adults? .1% of the registered users? I think that's a bit low... but even if you were right about that..

Kids aren't broke. They get allowances, and they get jobs. They have money to go to movies, buy video games, etc. And even barring that, they have parents they could easily weasle 10 bucks out of :P

$10 is practically nothing. Stay home from McDonalds once or twice and you've got it.

And you don't need to equal SOE's resources to stand up to them. You just need enough to get a decent lawyer, which, while not cheap, doesn't require the resources of an entire corporation to do.

Umm thats crazy talk 1 lawyer against that....hmmm I got bets on the outcome.
you know your dealing with kids RIGHT ? most of them will say LOL NOOB...

mystic414 · #6 09-22-2005, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sdabbs65

you know your dealing with kids RIGHT ? most of them will say LOL NOOB...

Probably. That's why I based my figures on 10% of the people responding, instead of 70%. But, there are a lot of "kids" out there who like EQEmu a lot more than EQ Live for whatever reason... maybe it's because it's free, maybe it's because certain servers are (were) more fun than EQ Live. And 10 bucks isn't a lot to ask of people who often pay more than that each month just to play on EQ Live.

So you've made your stance clear. You certainly don't have to donate a cent to the project, if you choose not to. I'm curious to see what other people think about the issue, though.

sdabbs65 · #7 09-22-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic414

Probably. That's why I based my figures on 10% of the people responding, instead of 70%. But, there are a lot of "kids" out there who like EQEmu a lot more than EQ Live for whatever reason... maybe it's because it's free, maybe it's because certain servers are (were) more fun than EQ Live. And 10 bucks isn't a lot to ask of people who often pay more than that each month just to play on EQ Live.

So you've made your stance clear. You certainly don't have to donate a cent to the project, if you choose not to. I'm curious to see what other people think about the issue, though.

Well I agree with some of those things.
but a lot of it is based on the Player Support I have now.
how many new POP and up zones have you seen avalibe,None...
Database's beside PEQ, None...it goes on and on.
im not going to go into the details but I can guess that 10% is about right.
and 5% really cares.
I would donate 1000 bucks if I thought it mattered... but I think it's a lost cause.

solid11 · #8 09-22-2005, 04:41 AM

It's actually a no-lose situation. You just get a lawyer that will only charge you if you win the case(which you would), and Sony would be paying the attorney fees and court costs as part of the law suit. Like I said, no law has been broken(emu wise), not sure about S2K's situation with their patcher, but if Sony ever came after this site, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Maybe that's why they haven't so far....

johane · #9 09-22-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by solid11

It's actually a no-lose situation. You just get a lawyer that will only charge you if you win the case(which you would), and Sony would be paying the attorney fees and court costs as part of the law suit. Like I said, no law has been broken(emu wise), not sure about S2K's situation with their patcher, but if Sony ever came after this site, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Maybe that's why they haven't so far....

As one of the 0.1% I'm sorry that I have to inform you of a few things...

No-Win-no-fee lawyers cost a lot. They don't charge you THEIR fee unless you win, but they do pass on all other charges, including:

Filing fees
Expert Witness fees
Travel costs for Expert Witness(es)
Accomodation for Expert Witness(es)
Barrister Fees
Expert Opinions
Lawyer's Travel fees
Lawyer's use of a whore when traveling
Lawyer's Medical costs for the dose of clap he got from the whore
etc etc etc

Basically, the lawyer never puts his hand in his own pocket for any expense - he puts his hand in YOUR pocket. And yes, it feels like he's molesting you.

How do I know this for a fact? I'm sitting here, typing on a collection of second hand parts cos I'm on a disability pension, because I don't have the $250,000 needed to sue some doctors for negligence using a "no-win-no-fee" lawyer. On a personal note, this sucks a lot. Thankfully I live in a socialist country so painkillers are cheap (3 boxes of oxy cost me $5.40, versus $270 that the government pays for it), and the government pays for my pain specialist (free vs $1200 per month).

Remember the Golden Rule - "Whoever has the gold makes the rules"

Edit:

Please note that the mention of the politics of my country are not in any way a derogatory comment about your country. In particular I will not heed any Americans who start to rant that "Socialism is back-door communism", as it isn't, but I wouldnt expect you to know that. A short list of Socialist Countries includes Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand and Eire.