Scorp site down maby server

mystic414 · #1 09-22-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sdabbs65

maybe 60 of them are adults
the rest of the 60,000 registered users are Kids and are broke..why do you think they play Freeservers.
you may get some money from the dedicated people but I doubt you will get anywhere near the funds they have.

60 adults? .1% of the registered users? I think that's a bit low... but even if you were right about that..

Kids aren't broke. They get allowances, and they get jobs. They have money to go to movies, buy video games, etc. And even barring that, they have parents they could easily weasle 10 bucks out of :P

$10 is practically nothing. Stay home from McDonalds once or twice and you've got it.

And you don't need to equal SOE's resources to stand up to them. You just need enough to get a decent lawyer, which, while not cheap, doesn't require the resources of an entire corporation to do.

sdabbs65 · #2 09-22-2005, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic414

60 adults? .1% of the registered users? I think that's a bit low... but even if you were right about that..

Kids aren't broke. They get allowances, and they get jobs. They have money to go to movies, buy video games, etc. And even barring that, they have parents they could easily weasle 10 bucks out of :P

$10 is practically nothing. Stay home from McDonalds once or twice and you've got it.

And you don't need to equal SOE's resources to stand up to them. You just need enough to get a decent lawyer, which, while not cheap, doesn't require the resources of an entire corporation to do.

Umm thats crazy talk 1 lawyer against that....hmmm I got bets on the outcome.
you know your dealing with kids RIGHT ? most of them will say LOL NOOB...

mystic414 · #3 09-22-2005, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sdabbs65

you know your dealing with kids RIGHT ? most of them will say LOL NOOB...

Probably. That's why I based my figures on 10% of the people responding, instead of 70%. But, there are a lot of "kids" out there who like EQEmu a lot more than EQ Live for whatever reason... maybe it's because it's free, maybe it's because certain servers are (were) more fun than EQ Live. And 10 bucks isn't a lot to ask of people who often pay more than that each month just to play on EQ Live.

So you've made your stance clear. You certainly don't have to donate a cent to the project, if you choose not to. I'm curious to see what other people think about the issue, though.

sdabbs65 · #4 09-22-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mystic414

Probably. That's why I based my figures on 10% of the people responding, instead of 70%. But, there are a lot of "kids" out there who like EQEmu a lot more than EQ Live for whatever reason... maybe it's because it's free, maybe it's because certain servers are (were) more fun than EQ Live. And 10 bucks isn't a lot to ask of people who often pay more than that each month just to play on EQ Live.

So you've made your stance clear. You certainly don't have to donate a cent to the project, if you choose not to. I'm curious to see what other people think about the issue, though.

Well I agree with some of those things.
but a lot of it is based on the Player Support I have now.
how many new POP and up zones have you seen avalibe,None...
Database's beside PEQ, None...it goes on and on.
im not going to go into the details but I can guess that 10% is about right.
and 5% really cares.
I would donate 1000 bucks if I thought it mattered... but I think it's a lost cause.

solid11 · #5 09-22-2005, 04:41 AM

It's actually a no-lose situation. You just get a lawyer that will only charge you if you win the case(which you would), and Sony would be paying the attorney fees and court costs as part of the law suit. Like I said, no law has been broken(emu wise), not sure about S2K's situation with their patcher, but if Sony ever came after this site, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Maybe that's why they haven't so far....

johane · #6 09-22-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by solid11

It's actually a no-lose situation. You just get a lawyer that will only charge you if you win the case(which you would), and Sony would be paying the attorney fees and court costs as part of the law suit. Like I said, no law has been broken(emu wise), not sure about S2K's situation with their patcher, but if Sony ever came after this site, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Maybe that's why they haven't so far....

As one of the 0.1% I'm sorry that I have to inform you of a few things...

No-Win-no-fee lawyers cost a lot. They don't charge you THEIR fee unless you win, but they do pass on all other charges, including:

Filing fees
Expert Witness fees
Travel costs for Expert Witness(es)
Accomodation for Expert Witness(es)
Barrister Fees
Expert Opinions
Lawyer's Travel fees
Lawyer's use of a whore when traveling
Lawyer's Medical costs for the dose of clap he got from the whore
etc etc etc

Basically, the lawyer never puts his hand in his own pocket for any expense - he puts his hand in YOUR pocket. And yes, it feels like he's molesting you.

How do I know this for a fact? I'm sitting here, typing on a collection of second hand parts cos I'm on a disability pension, because I don't have the $250,000 needed to sue some doctors for negligence using a "no-win-no-fee" lawyer. On a personal note, this sucks a lot. Thankfully I live in a socialist country so painkillers are cheap (3 boxes of oxy cost me $5.40, versus $270 that the government pays for it), and the government pays for my pain specialist (free vs $1200 per month).

Remember the Golden Rule - "Whoever has the gold makes the rules"

Edit:

Please note that the mention of the politics of my country are not in any way a derogatory comment about your country. In particular I will not heed any Americans who start to rant that "Socialism is back-door communism", as it isn't, but I wouldnt expect you to know that. A short list of Socialist Countries includes Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand and Eire.

Windcatcher · #7 09-22-2005, 01:24 PM

The custom zones Scorp and others worked on were extremely well done, and the one KhaN did is stunning. Whatever happens, we should make certain that all that work isn't lost.

thorndruid · #8 09-22-2005, 01:42 PM

I like the eqemulator, i even play on scorps server. But you have acknowledge a couple of things. The client for eqemulator is Sony's (they designed it, they developed it), all graphics are Sony's. Even the characters you make on live are theirs. What they are doing as I see is perfectly legal, i see that in the EULA of serveral online games now, NO EMULATORS. I know for a fact City of Heroes has it. Usually Sony and the rest of them don't care, until either some disgruntalled player of the free server snitches to them, which is what i think happened with scorps. While i see its not illegal to make an emulator (grey area) is definately illegal to play on one. There is actually an opensource developed from scratch mmporg called planeshift(check sourceforge), which has the client and server from scratch and its open source, if i was a programmer, i would be supportting that. I applaude all the work thats gone into the eq emulator but i think the dreaded big business spectre is looming over the project.

Scorpious2k · #9 09-22-2005, 03:42 PM

I would be willing to sell the server....

200+ populated zones
custom zones
player accounts
player characters
custom items
custom code (including the source)
quests
custom spells

wonder what it would be worth....