someone fucked up the wiki...

[Windcatcher]

One thing people need to understand is that there are only two EQEmu devs, and from my standpoint, they are swamped. I mean S-W-A-M-P-E-D. It's commendable that people want to make live-compatible servers, but what's really needed are more developers (or a team who will sit down and tackle the problem of writing a client once and for all, which would moot the whole problem). Many of the people who were new to this community probably don't know this but once upon a time EQEmu had many more developers than this, and that's why (at least in my opinion) that the server exists in its present form (that is, how so much progress has been made to date). Two devleopers is really something of a low water mark and it should come as no surprise that things are moving slowly. My advice is that if people really want to help (and they're not coders), then either recruit some to help this project or look at some of the other things you can do here, like creating content.

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Windcatcher I don't think you have paid much attention to the reasons of why their team is so small, some of the coders are still around but they contribute nothing, other coders have been kicked off and everyone else doesn't want to join because they would probably be put in the same situation.

[Howndawg]

Well i feel bad for the ummm whats his name nick..... i may be new and no nothing but from what ti seems like is hes not getting anything in return for what he has done.....

http://support.eqemulogin.net/news.php

Well seems eqemu lost another server host =(

[~RD~ Moderator's Note: This post came from an IP that is known to be used by Nicholas/Boppoom. Additionally, I put this moderator's note on before, and it "mysteriously" disappeared, with this post showing as having been edited by Howndawg. That won't happen again.]

[Dr Zauis]

I will say it right now..I started as a total noob to the game itself as a player and still dont understand much about it. I played live for a few months till I decided to look into eqemu.
And I can honestly say all the information is on the forums and in the wiki..
It may take some time and persistance but if you dont have that in the first place then this kind of stuff probably should be left alone.

So thats a note from a very satisfied customer...

[gottasummer]

My C/C++ skills are okay, they could be better... I will admit I keep a erm, let me check... 978 page long C++ reference book here, covering C, and C++...

I sometimes have to look through it to find the syntax of something...

I would like to help, but do not know where to start, or who to talk to.

I have been here about a year and a half before I joined the forums, I had joined because I wanted to post a topic, and couldnt as a guest, anyway... there used to be tons of servers, many devs, and it was often live-compatible, but now, sony changes more in every update, and the devs are swamped, there are only two devs, I had honestly thought there were three still...

Anyway, if any dev reads this, I think I might be able to help.

[fathernitwit]

I woule like to state that everything anybody needs to contribute is publically avaliable. The fact of the matter is that nobody has posted anything in a long time. You dont become a dev and then contribute, you are granted development rights because you have proven that you can contribute to the project.

There isnt any documentation, but to be honest, if you cannot just sit down and find your way through the code, then working on eqemu is prolly not for you. Theres over 170000 lines of code in this project, and nobody has time to explain it. At the same time, the wiki is each person's opportunity to share with others anything they learn while working in the code. It is a self-driven project, and always will be. People who show initiative on their own are the people who will get time out of the devs for help. When I got here, there was no live compat login server, so I wrote a login server before I even had a forum or irc account. I completely rewrote tradeskills and posted the patch without ever talking to a developer. That is initiative.

gottasummer, I encourage you to try to help. The advice I give to anybody wanting to help is to pick an issue on the wiki issue list, and try to fix it.

Finally, If you dont like the way this project is administered, take the source and do your own thing, but dont keep it locked up like so many others have.

[gottasummer]

Yes, when the project was older, when there were a ton of devs, I wanted to leave and make my own project based off of EQEmu, but the problem is with the loginserver, not knowing how to make it :X

I now realize that things like this are not things that just one person can do, they are things that everybody has to do together, which is something that I often get frustrated about when someone says they will leave a project and go start a new one.


I will go read the wiki and try to fix a bug, one thing that I think would be a good improvement would be a "community-board" like thing, but I doubt EQ can do that, I have yet to see things like a dialog box and things, but maybe we could have a NPC chat dialog type thing, and then have it parse somtehing like a HTML file or somtehing... but anyway, I think I will look on the bugs page before taking up something new.

[wraithlord98]

I spent over 16 hours looking through the wiki (what a piece of work that is let me tell you).. I lost count how many hours I spent rummaging through the forums.. I understand the devs are busy doing other stuff and I don't expect them to simply cough anything answers or to drop everything to answer a question they consider mundane; petty; and beneath them. But that gives them NO right to simply shit on someone else with an unbelievable attitude like they are the prima donna of coding.

I came here with the intentions to learn and to try and support the community and hopefully contribute something back in an effort to move this project forward. Instead - I'm met with criticism - skepticism - and what's worse I'm treated like garbage and I'm insulted. And you wonder why there's so few folks willing to contribute or step forward to help? I wonder just how many other folks were treated this very same way and run off by the attitude.

You want contributions? Here you go..... Here's a big one to start with.. What I've found is 90% of the stuff in the forums is out of date - so badly out of date in fact - that it has no real relevance to EQEmu as it stands now... So why is it still accessible?? Would you keep old and broken car parts around if you knew they couldn't ever be used again??? I think not.. where are your forum moderators?

There's so much crap (and yes - it's utterly crap) that a few of us in an effort to make heads or tails out of all of it - posted what was relavent to a personal website so that we could eventually update the wiki. And what do we get for making an effort? Shit on. Insulted. Belittled. Because we use a personal website to sort it - we're being anti community and we're stealing intellectual property? Who's more anti community... the one's with the attitude running off everyone and anyone who might help.. or the folks who are in the process of sorting out valid info/data from the invalid info/data? I could have just as easily saved the info to my hard drive.. what media I choose to sort the info out with is IRRELEVANT - because once done - it was going to be put back into the common files - in this case - the wiki (which is an utter piece of shit - anyone and everyone can make changes to it - and they may not have a clue on what they're doing). Point in case - there's around 5 or 6 different tutorials on setting up your own server.. now which one is up to date and 100% correct? Now - out of those.. how many folks just coming into the project would know which one is the most up to date and correct one? Point made.

And while we're at it.. let's discuss ownership of intellectual property - and the fit that was utterly thrown over code relating to a program we had been searching for... if you want to get technical about it - this entire community is based off of stolen intellectual property... Debate it.. Rename it.. use the wording you like to make you sleep well at night... Whatever floats your boat.. boil it down to what it is - Sony/Verant came up with the idea of EverQuest and all it's rich in game history and we have stolen it - but I'm not here to split hairs about that. Extremely few folks knew that EQExtractor was a personal pet project of FNW's.. all we knew is that we had found links to it all over the damn place - that it had been mentioned a lot - and it appeared to do what we were trying to do - which was to break out the data out of packet logs so that we could populate our server and fix various things like missing doors, incorrect spawn locations etc. Those very same posts in the forums point back to the CVS holdings and how to retrieve it.. and we stole it because we simply downloaded it to use it? Um - I think someone needs to take a hard look at the facts.

I'd like to say that instead of throwing a fit about it - why not just simply say that it was something that you had personally developed and that you didn't wish to release the code or share the program? Short.. sweet.. simple.. to the point.. and above all NOT done in an insulting or degrading manner... Rip apart the code to learn? I'm supposed to rip apart code I don't really understand - that I'm not supposed to have - and that's incomplete.. and I'm to learn from that? Ok - can we say - triple standards?

I'm not taking sides here.. things were said on both sides that were wrong.. and I'm not going to sit here and point fingers about who said what and diw what first to start all of this mess.. think what you will.. but at this point I highly doubt I'm going to make any sort of effort to contribute after how I got treated yesterday - and it's no wonder anyone else does for that matter. I did NOTHING WRONG but ask questions while trying to learn and for that - I got what I did yesterday... If that's how I'm to be treated for trying - I think I'll be one of the freeloaders tks and pls because there's less hassle involved.