Are people Idiots?

and I was basically told I'd have to wait by most people (though no one mentioned that I could download the version checker, install my unpatched fresh copy off of my cds, run the checker, and then see if there's an older EQEmu version that would run with it).

I am glad nobody sayd that to you, because there is NO version of eqemu that will work with a fresh install.

The very first rule is:
Warez Is NOT Allowed
-This includes the transfer of any copyrighted material, including EQ Files and backpatches. Requesting files, even in a PM, will result in a ban.

notice the

including EQ Files

part?

also http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19952 I flat out told you there.

[Ibix]

<<Taken to PMs>>

[iamjooish2]

hmmm, kinda going out on a limb here...

Keep in mind while it's completely against the forum rules to ask for or give out files copyrighted by SoE, it's not against /anything/ to simply look for them. Certainly sifting through search engine results is better than getting banned.

Just sayin'....

[Jarin]

I think the admins of this site need a little moderation skills. I mean honestly, what kind of administration bans people without prior notice? Did you ever stop to think that people didn't find the rules and read them?

Your answer to that is no, simply because the rules are there. But did you take into consideration the fact that there is *no* link to the rules *anywhere* on the front page OR the forum home page? You might want to step the user-friendliness up a notch and actually put a visible link to the rules post so that people don't miss it. You said yourself people are idiots, so if that's the case then they won't search for the rules. Unless of course you're just luring the people in so you can ban them just for that reason, in which case you, my friends, are the idiots.

Not to mention, yes warez is illegal, but did you ever stop to think that this entire project is illegal? If you're going to break one law you mightaswell break one more and let them have the files. There's idiocy for you.

My two cents: Get some better administrators, learn how to run your forum, and find someone who has people skills, because you sure as hell don't. Yeah, go ahead and ban me, I could care less about this underfunded, dead-end project.

[Ibix]

Originally Posted by Jarin

LOUD NOISES!!

Wow man... calm down there. Heck, I was one of the ones banned, and I'm not that mad. I will agree with one of your points, and that's just that there aren't any GLARINGLY OBVIOUS links to the rules from the front page or the main forums list. I don't think that usually this is the problem however. I had read the rules, just felt like they were a tad unclear on some points.

But, let's get to the rest of the post... If I understand correctly, this project is in fact not illegal. That was another misunderstanding that I had, but I would expect that you (having been around for nearly 2 years, and having posted 75 times) would know the facts about the legality. From what I've seen/understood, Sony may not LIKE what is being done here, and it may be against some moral and ethical rules some people may carry, but as far as being illegal, don't you think that with how long this project has been around, they would have been served a CDA and had it enforced if what they were doing was actually illegal?

And finally, underfunded? You use that as an insult? As if it's the fault of the people who volunteer their time to work on this project that they don't have some sort of funding? It's the fault of every person who uses this project's output but doesn't go back to the site after enjoying what they've been playing, and make a donation. I have not made a donation yet but will be doing so once things settle down here in the next month or two. I wonder what would happen to this project if every person who plays on an EQEmu server made a donation of 1/2 of the monthly cost to play EQ? It wouldn't probably be a MASSIVE amount, but I bet it would be quite a nice motivation for the developers to put even more of their time and effort into it... blaming under-funding on the people who volunteer their time... amazing.

[Ghost Fire]

Ok Here is what I think Jarin.
(I'm talking to you because it seems like your the little childish type "Yeah, go ahead and ban me, I could care less about this underfunded [not-funded], dead-end project[Fixing a ton of bugs and upgrading the quality of the project." )
Sooooo here's is a little help for ya THE ADMINS & DEV'S DON'T HAVE TO HOLD ANYONE'S HAND.They got better things to do like ban people that don't follow the...
Forum Rules <--------------

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I say the devs must cater to my every need, if I tell them to do it they better do it!! lawl :P

Come on Doodman made it clear for future reference to warn people before banning them, no reason to discuss it any further.

[Cisyouc]

Not to mention, yes warez is illegal, but did you ever stop to think that this entire project is illegal?

Yes. Yes we have. In fact, there are quite a few threads on the issue.

[klinzhai]

So you'd rather yell at your users than update your rules so that it clearly states "Do not ask or tell people how to get older versions of the EQ client, including the patched version that works with this server. We consider this to be requesting or distributing warez and it will not be tolerated."?

It seems like there's an easier solution than spending several hours posting about how all the people who ask, what seems to them rather innocuous, questions that they need answers to so that they can use the EQEmulator. Be helpful, state that perhaps there was a misunderstanding on their part (9 out of 10 times it's a misunderstanding, not intentional boneheadedness) and let them know that what they did is against the forum rules.... and explain exactly what you're talking about, not just saying "Hey, what you did is against the rules, don't do it again or we'll ban you" or they'll just sit there going "WTF?!?! I didn't do anything...."

Just a helpful suggestion... for some odd reason I feel like it will be ignored and the admins will spend a 1/2 hour (less time than it would take to implement my suggestion) telling me that I'm an idiot and that what I'm suggesting won't work.

[Ghost Fire]

I'm no Admin but I'll tell you why your idea won't work to well. The one thing that i see a lot is this question. "So hey all how can I get this thing running I just patched to Live" OR "Hey everyone why do I get this error 1017?!?". Well here is the reason your idea won't work. They are just to lazy to read the posts that have the answers and or they are color blind and can't see the big red text. The BIG RED example:DO NOT PATCH ON 9/13 OR LATER - 9/13 EQ Patch Breaks 0.6.2 (Which we are freezing on).

The rules are posted in 6 diferent places, in a global sticky too. PEOPLE DONT READ RULES, there is nothing we can do about people who dont read rules.


I had someone come to me and tell me they did not know the rules and asked to be unbenned, I had a long talk with them on MSN explained the rules in detail then unbanned them..... can you guess what there first post after being unbanned asked for?

Warez Is NOT Allowed
-This includes the transfer of any copyrighted material, including EQ Files and backpatches. Requesting files, even in a PM, will result in a ban.

notice the including EQ Files and backpatches part???? how much clearer do we need to make it??