Is eqemu a waste of time for new people?

javaman · #1 04-03-2006, 11:03 AM

What I meant about World of Warcraft, is that someone new can come right in and in one day, be able to play on an emulated server, get his own server up and running and play stand-alone.

It seems that eqemu has no way of adding new people -> this is what I meant by dead. Someone new who has been playing on legit servers will not be able to play because he will be current with live. Someone who is new to eq completely will no be able to play, because all that is available is what is free on sony's ftp site, and titanium at the stores (there are 7 eb/gs s in the area and all only carry the titanium).

I consider myself quite persistant, but most others will probably move on to another game.

I would rather see something like this where the emu is true open source survive and live on.

My bad, I should clarfy .. the project is not dead, but is currently incapable of adding new blood. And add current members lose interest to other things such as WOW, COH, etc, the number will only diminish.

And no, I was not suggesting to distribute any EQ client data, but merely a PAR file which is completely for every single byte completely different from and file in the entire directory. Is is similar to RAID technology based on the solomon-reed algorithm for building redundancy across partitions of data.

Cisyouc · #2 04-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by javaman

What I meant about World of Warcraft, is that someone new can come right in and in one day, be able to play on an emulated server, get his own server up and running and play stand-alone.

It seems that eqemu has no way of adding new people -> this is what I meant by dead. Someone new who has been playing on legit servers will not be able to play because he will be current with live. Someone who is new to eq completely will no be able to play, because all that is available is what is free on sony's ftp site, and titanium at the stores (there are 7 eb/gs s in the area and all only carry the titanium).

With no disrespect intended, I don't understand your comparison to WoW. They are completely different situations. But even so, I find it very difficult to think it is possible for one to use a WoW emulator without utilizing some sort of warez unless they happen to have the correct version, just like EQEMu? The whole point is that we don't get shut down by SOE for distributing or endorsing warez. Just because Blizzard isn't keeping tabs doesn't mean SOE isn't, as we've seen servers around us go down.

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I consider myself quite persistant, but most others will probably move on to another game.

I would rather see something like this where the emu is true open source survive and live on.

Woah-woah, since when is the Emulator not true open source? Or do you mean an open source client?

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My bad, I should clarfy .. the project is not dead, but is currently incapable of adding new blood. And add current members lose interest to other things such as WOW, COH, etc, the number will only diminish.

We can't _do_ anything about it. If you're trying to rally support for Titanium, yeah, there is alot of push for that among people, but other than that. There is nothing we can do.

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And no, I was not suggesting to distribute any EQ client data, but merely a PAR file which is completely for every single byte completely different from and file in the entire directory. Is is similar to RAID technology based on the solomon-reed algorithm for building redundancy across partitions of data.

I'm not quite sure where that would legally fall, unfortunately. But here, we'd prefer not to take our chances it seems.

TheClaus · #3 04-03-2006, 02:40 PM

While a PAR set of EQEMU would be awesome(I am actually doing this for myself) I think that is still legally just as bad as sending out a zip file of the EQ Client files.

Besides even if it wasn't there is still the whole idea of people asking what is PAR and how to use it.

As for comparing this to WoW that isn't possible. WoW gives its patch file out to other sites to ease the load. That basically gives the emulator a site outside of Blizzard for others to grab the correct patch files. Even then those sites that hold the patch files might drop them after X amount of time making it not a solid solution.

Like mattmeck said a simple google search will find the files. I can tell you from personal experience I decided to try out EQEmu after being gone for a couple of years and with a little digging I am up and running.

johane · #4 04-04-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheClaus

While a PAR set of EQEMU would be awesome(I am actually doing this for myself) I think that is still legally just as bad as sending out a zip file of the EQ Client files.

Besides even if it wasn't there is still the whole idea of people asking what is PAR and how to use it.

As for comparing this to WoW that isn't possible. WoW gives its patch file out to other sites to ease the load. That basically gives the emulator a site outside of Blizzard for others to grab the correct patch files. Even then those sites that hold the patch files might drop them after X amount of time making it not a solid solution.

Like mattmeck said a simple google search will find the files. I can tell you from personal experience I decided to try out EQEmu after being gone for a couple of years and with a little digging I am up and running.

Since a PAR file has essentially the same information content as the files themselves, much as a ZIP file does, there would be no way in hell that distributing a PAR file would not be considered distributing the actual warez in the eyes of SOE, or in the eyes of any halfway intelligent judge.

Don't forget that courts interpret things in light of the Intent of the Law and the Intent of the Actions of the Accussed. Cries of "but I didnt distributed eqgame.exe!" mean zip when the intent is to distribute the file in breach of Sony's copyright.

Good thinking though.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that a binry diff file, that could be used to "backpatch" a valid (but wrong versioned) client would probably be OK as long as it didnt constitute greater than about 10% of the content of the original file (this number 10% is a fuzzy one... and read on for the nasty catch!).

But "probably" is a HUGE word, and I'd NOT suggest it be tried as there would have to be a chance that a judge could consider it to be evil in intent, even though it would be enabling a User to recreate a file that was once publically available and distributed by SOE. The fact that the explicit file that is the result of such a process is NOT publically available from SOE would PROBABLY mean that with the right lawyers and the right judge (the halfway intelligent one I mentioned before) the finding of intent would be that there was an intent to circumvent SOE's copyright - in particular their right to maintain particular versions in the marketplace.

Furthermore, all SOE has to do is to claim that at least one of the official patches between the Emu compatible version and the current live version was for Security purposes, and that this patch involved changing some level of encryption, and they could even invoke the dreaded DMCA, which would result in a very very short court case in my opinion.

So 10 points for good thinking about the PAR files, but minus 10 for not thinking it through like a money hungry corporate manager.

All opinions voiced above are based on my extreme age and experience in the business end of IT and gaming, and not in any way based on the state of the eqemu project or codebase.

Cisyouc · #5 04-04-2006, 06:31 AM

The fact is, they could shut us down at any time for any reason. Its just that shutting us down for no reason would be pretty bad PR on Sony's part, so if we were to slip up and allow or endorse distribution of warez, Sony can defend themselves by saying that we were a center for EQ warez and costing them money.

javaman · #6 04-04-2006, 01:32 PM

Making progress:

World List:
============================
ID: 4, Name: [0.6.6] I Forgot To Edit My Config Server, Local, IP: 127.0.0.1:397
5, Status: 0, AccID: 0
============================
3141906 New client from ip: 127.0.0.1 port: 3999
Unknown packet: .4233692 [92.153.64.0:15->0.0.0.0:0]
[OpCode 0x0003 (OP_Unknown) Size=11]
00000: 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 | ...........

Now to find this in my local copy of the source...

Teppen · #7 04-05-2006, 01:02 PM

Ive always respected eqemulator forums by not posting links to warez. If you just follow the line of text below you will be playing or hosting in no time, its not that hard to figure out.

titanium(out of box install dont patch) + google = good to go

I speak this from experience, Ive been around here since 2002. Had a nice backup dvd but I went away from eqemu for awhile and my backup dvd got too outdated to the point you needed to patch up to a certain date but not over a certain date, and I felt screwed. I later found that my backup dvd was scratched beyond playing in my pc. So I went to EB bought titanium, did an out of box install did not patch, did a google search, and was playing same day I brought home titanium from the store.

Now I cant and wont tell you what to type in or post any links to it, and wont respond to any pm's regarding this subject.

its very simple.

javaman · #8 04-03-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisyouc

Woah-woah, since when is the Emulator not true open source? Or do you mean an open source client?

EQEMU "is" open source

WOWemu is not
coh is mostly not

And yes, I am into the titanum move. In fact, I have built using VS Express, the source successfully (from build 764-source, with some files from release CVS, in particular guildlist), going through and adding pragma for some silly MAC file detection that VS Express uses, and several other things to come to
========== Build: 0 succeeded, 0 failed, 3 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
and then the latest server install which is all smooth so far except for install IO::Scalar

and whew, just done download the 1G plus maps. Is it supposed to be that big, guide says 300mb. came out to 1G. Is this windows and it's visual pax calling my tar.gz tar.tar (I dont really like tartar anyway) and expanding it as it downloads it (Please stop with the favors, M$)

TheClaus · #9 04-03-2006, 06:55 PM

It should of been 300mb zipped up. Though it is a gb unzipped.

#10 04-03-2006, 10:16 PM

The way Blizzard patches is, they hand the patch out to absolutly anyone to host. SOE makes users get it from them.

SO WOW = older patchers can be given out freely because Blizzard gaven anyone permition to host them.

EQ = SOE has not given anyone permition to host them, so it is against the law to do so.

This community is not able to do anything about it, if you would like to call SOE and discuss with them being able to hosrt older files thats up to you.

Belfedia · #11 04-03-2006, 11:22 PM

I follow also W@w emulation,
I can say only 3 thing about that:

-Blizzard is more severe than SOE with the emulation. They track one by all website, projects of emulation and server. They make them close (Russian Website are very good provider because Blizzard can't close them).
-All Wow emulation Website contain warez's stuff and are underground, they use W@w instead of Wow to hide about Google & co.
-Please, don't write a Guide about w@w emulation here... I don't want to see Blizzard close http://www.eqemulator.net by a C&D.

For have a new blood on emulation, titanium project is a good idea, but i think devs must be accept also bad consequences like : "I have buy titanium, that's don't work, i have pay, It is a scandal, You MUST make my game/emulator working !!! ". I hope we don't see that but i doubt.

Sorry for my very bad english :( But i hope you understand part about W@w