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ZexisStryfe · #1 07-17-2007, 11:39 AM

I must say, I guess I am not like the usual EQEmu user. I never really wanted to relive the "glory days" of EQ. I wanted to play something new, and more importantly, using the zones, models, etc. present in EQ, I wanted to create something new. I wanted to be able to create my own world. The fact that EQEmu doesn't patch to live is a big problem. Because of this, I must agree with Amra regarding open-sourcing. I know Wind spoke of cheating if they were to do this, but if the login server code was released, and people were able to set up their own logins separate from EQemu.net's server list, then I don't view it as so much of a problem (for instance, make sure the servers on EQEmu Login are "official", and if you want to hack and change your client, then use the released login server. The minilogin helps, but you are limiting the community by forcing them to use your login server).

A perfect example of this already exists. The most popular EQEmu server out there is a world where they took the client/server and changed it and were able to create their own world. Now I understand that they do things that are considered "illegal" here, and because of that just naming them is enough to get a thread closed, but come on. At any given time they have more players on their server than all of the "official" servers on EQEmu.net combined. Obviously they are doing something right, whether or not anyone here is willing to admit it.

It is my hope that EQ2Emu will end up having a released Login server, and that it gets more backing from developers than EQEmu currently has. If this turns out to be the case, then hopefully I will be able to create my vision there, since I am just not capable of doing it with the current EQEmu.

John Adams · #2 07-17-2007, 01:32 PM

The reason the login server code will never be released is due to the encryption stuff in there that would impose on Live servers - which would bring the thought police down on EQEmu and it would be very bad.

However, a dev responsible for updating it, changing it, making it more flexible and available itself, would be nice. Too bad for all those disassemblers.

devn00b · #3 07-17-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Adams

The reason the login server code will never be released is due to the encryption stuff in there that would impose on Live servers - which would bring the thought police down on EQEmu and it would be very bad.

However, a dev responsible for updating it, changing it, making it more flexible and available itself, would be nice. Too bad for all those disassemblers.

Originally it was kept secret not for fear of "police", but because if we had released it sony would change it, and thats a major pain in the ass to fix.

Windcatcher · #4 07-17-2007, 04:28 PM

One thing I'd like to point out is that SimpleClient uses entirely its own LS protocol. Doodman's LS supports it, but SimpleClient connects to it using a separate port and it goes through a totally different code path. One possibility for open-sourcing the client might be to implement our own encryption on the SimpleClient LS protocol and use a closed-source code module for it. Then we might be able to release every part of the client except that part, which would let people compile their own clients for use with their own servers. We would have to also release an open-source version of a LS that only SimpleClient could talk to (minus encryption), but that shouldn't be a problem (I've already written a simple one that's sort of like Minilogin). I'd really like to hear the devs' take on this idea.

techguy84 · #5 07-17-2007, 07:58 PM

Does SOE still use the same encryption on LIVE knowing that EQEmu uses it also. I find that really hard to belive, as you would think that they would change that to something similar to EQ2 and update all the clients.

Xavius · #6 08-05-2007, 08:14 AM

I know I'm fairly new to the EQEmu scene, but just got myself together and got my server up and running, my goal is to build a custom server with custom content, expanding as the server grows...

Anyway, back to my reason for posting, have to agree that if EQEmu remains tied to a CD copy of EQ (Titanium), and access to that CD becomes restricted - its not sold over the counter anywhere I know of anymore. Then logically you're new player base will dry up, especially if they know they can go out and quite easily obtain other game emulators. To me this would sort of explain largely a dwindling player base - can folks still get hold of the Titanium Client - if not, doesnt it make sense to move to a newer client version (and I know this isnt as easy or straightforward as it might sound)?

Xavius

John Adams · #7 08-05-2007, 08:18 AM

The devs are playing with a newer Anniversary Edition as a base, but it might take some time to sort it all out. The source code shows the beginnings of it, but some have reported it's just not ready yet.

As for "dwindling populations", for me only being around a year I have to say the populations appear way UP right now from one year ago. I used to see servers with all 0's or 1-3 players online, except some of the preferred ones which were still not that impressive. Now, you can total nearly 200-300 players at any given time. To me, that seems like an increase.

This emu might never see it's SOE C&D days again, but I am happy it's around for when that dark day comes that EQLive is no longer worth SOE's budget. That's really all this is about to me.