The current system

[cavedude]

Yes, when many people have access to a CVS without organization it turns to shit very quickly. It's no attack on the individual coders, it's just part of life. That's why we have governments. Anarchy doesn't work in the civilized world. To give you a prime example, Developer A codes in a change to let's say AC. At the same time Developer B is working on an overall combat overhaul. The two didn't communicate and both patches get committed. Combat is now broken. Odds are they will communicate, but if CVS was made public as you propose, some asshole can and will come along and submit their code with no regards to others.

Check the changelog, credit is ALWAYS given to people for their work, even if it needed to be changed.

Yes my friend, there was indeed a time when EQEmu would find itself broken every other patch, or many systems became broken. The reason was there were too many people working on the project and they did not properly communicate with each other. So, while it did seem like it was moving quickly, it was also getting pushed back at the same time. In this current era, we aren't seeing commits as much, but there are far fewer conflicts, and so we have very little set backs. I did not attack any one developer. Anybody who has ever been given access to the code has been a top notch coder.

You want power in this community? Contribute instead of whining and attacking. That's how I did it, and how FNW did it, and how devn00b and image before us did it. Let's not forget Lethal, Wize, Scorp, Doodman, Roegan, Windcatcher, Rangerdown, tcsmyworld, drawde, Wildcard, KLS, Angelox, etc, etc... If any of them had decided to complain instead of actually helping the community, we'd still be stuck in the dark ages.

Put your damn resume on the table. Write something and post it on the forums. I don't think you can/will.

You want an apology after you attacked me by name? Who's full of themselves?

[corvanus]

i didnt attack anyone i said the project is stagnating because the developers( all of you) seem to be loosing interest which is fine it happens but if you dont wish to be doing what you are doing then turn it over to someone who does, burnout happens spreading ones self too thin happens but to let the project suffer because of that is quite simply immature.

you want a resume? somehow i dont think that would accomplish much. suffices to say ive been coding in various languages for over 20 years and i will leave it at that from fortran to binary to perl to php and on up to actionscript shockwave and other forms of scripting including database development.

the entire point of this community system is to communicate which is what i am doing this is a concern, people seem to be loosing interest simple as that. posting on the forums has become more important then development, peq is your priority which is fine.

Simple fact is you got pissed and nasty because i brought up a very valid concern one which i have seen again and again through the years ive been using the emulator.

we have an irc server that is always silent we have forums where people get banned left and right for disagreeing with the current powers that be's view on things. we have a ton of broken things in the code itself that have been broken since day one and through all of that it is caused by mainly people not listening to one another chastise me if you will but it is my oppinion and i am entitled to it.

I dont want power in the community i want the community to be that a community where all voices are heard even when they dont agree with those of the people in control. where valid concerns arent met with scorn and insults and condescending attitudes. where when people submit coding its worked on faster and everyone gets credit.

I know from past experience from submitting coding in the past that made it into release and credit was stolen by one of the development team with no mention of me that it does not always get accredited to the original coder.

[cavedude]

Nobody is losing interest, people just have other things going on. Spring is a tough time for many people. Many companies do maintenance, upgrades, etc on their equipment this time of year for the impending summer. Of course the hot summer months wreak havoc on electrical equipment. Since we're emulating a MMO, it's likely many of us are in the IT industry.

No, I don't want a resume, that's just a piece of paper that can be made to say anything. Didn't you know I served as the King of England for a winter? What I was trying to do is get you to stop this foolish bickering we have going on and start doing more productive things. Make a code fix, write a quest, something.

I got nasty mainly because in your first post you called me out by name, and hinted at that I don't do anything, or don't deserve the title I have. That's what pissed me off. The secondary reason was I've become sick of people complaining who don't contribute. (And if you have done so, I'm sorry, but I don't remember seeing your name anywhere) I know I can't speak for anybody else but I know it feels like I do all this work only to get shit thrown back at me. Do this, do that, fix this, fix that. It's infuriating.

I usually only idle in IRC and have no control, so I don't know what happens there. So, I can't say anything about that topic.

If something is broken in the code, fix it and post it. Pestering developers to do it isn't the way to get it done, and goes back to my point above where we are (often) demanded to fix things.

I think all voices are heard. I know I listen to everybody, and I try to get everything into the db/quests that gets posted, even if it needs some work on my part. I may overlook a lot, but that's because I'm one person, and so many people contribute it is often hard to keep up. That's ignoring that fact that I also maintain Grand Creation which has its own set of responsibilities.

Could you please post specific details about code being stolen? A forum thread and changelog in comparison, or something along those lines. You can even PM it to me if you want for privacy. I seriously doubt it has happened in recent history, and without hard evidence you can't make an accusation like that.

[cavedude]

Moving this to Off-Topic as it does not belong in the original thread.

[erik_llewellyn]

Give em both barrels Cavedude. I have followed, played, and setup servers for EQEmu for over 4 years now and I can attest the mound of poo that the code used to be. I have had no issues in all that time with anyone in the forums or the project and most are willing to take the time to re-explain something even if it's in 10000000000 other threads. As you pointed out, if you want something done, take the time and learn how to fix it yourself. All of the master programmers and devs in the community will bend over backwards to help you out with answering questions and tweaking code, they just don't have time to do every little want or desire that comes up. I know first hand how long it can take to write a functional code/program and there can simply never bee too many programmers for something as large scale as an MMO.

To all the doomsayers out there, just remember this emulator will be alive and well long after EQLive gets the plug pulled.

[ChaosSlayer]

corvanus - download the source code- its open to anyone.
Do your modifications, and then post the whole thing with your modifications on your own website - this way you will get all the credit for your hard work.. given anyone chooses to download your code over EQemu's code...

Saying this isnt open source because people get banned from the forums is a big load a cow doo doo.

If you go to any open source community and act like an ass clown you will be banned from the forums.

Open source means the code is open source, not the forums.

The code is free for anyone to look at, download and edit.

The forums are paid for and owned, Rogean paid for it this time around, the box that the login server and forums are on are paid for, Doodman did this I think.

Forums are here to be nice and are not required at all to call this open source, you have access to the code, and nobody has ever been blocked from downloading it, that make this open source.

Now take a deep breath, have a beer (if old enough) lay off the coffee and rethink your arguments because they are flawed. Every person who submitted a code fix, even if it was modified before going in, has been credited with the work.