Classic or era-based server content

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Originally Posted by Secrets

It's a risk in humility but going through 'any lengths' to keep something open that someone requests remains closed from the beginning is not making something 'open source' - that's called stealing and is not part of the open source mantra.

EQEmulator is not a community where we leak the latest and greatest programmers in the communities' work. If you want that type of community, I recommend this website: www.ragezone.com

Lets be honest, we potentially stole EverQuest .. lol .. you know what I am talking about, lots of /zone 'ing in live with a little handy utility.

EQEmu is built more on the Cyberpunk mantra than 'just' open source.

[MarcusD]

Originally Posted by image

Lets be honest, we potentially stole EverQuest .. lol .. you know what I am talking about, lots of /zone 'ing in live with a little handy utility.

EQEmu is built more on the Cyberpunk mantra than 'just' open source.

<sarcasm>. I get the logic. Since we are using something from shrewd narcissist code hoarders we also should become shrewd code hoarding narcissists ourselves. Because only our project matters and how much we can monopolize the market. </sarcasm>

I can sense what happened. Someone got a little glimmer of paypal donation button gold in their eye. Not that accepting donations is bad, it is very good but once you get a glimpse of the end of the rainbow it can change the way you do things. We have to build for what is good and right and not stare too much at the donate button.

[Akkadius]

So, I've been here for a little while, I see posts of all variations that very much resemble history repeating itself, one of which is the classic topic.

People will complain until the bitter end that P99 doesn't "share" their source/db and what have you, but to be completely honest, they aren't obligated to and they literally don't owe the community anything.

It is no different than said organization (not to confuse with business) of a few guys who dump their heart and soul into a project with insane amounts of time, they don't have to share their work because it is their fucking work, regardless of whether it resembles what "should" be available to the public.

While it is very encouraged to give back and a person/organization doesn't have to, P99 has definitely given back in more ways than people have a fucking clue about directly and indirectly and its the attitude that something is owed that pisses me off regardless of the intricacies of the drama that transpire around said server.

Circle back to my original point of repeating, every once in a while there are people who have stars in their eyes with enough fume to get a server up and half working and then realize how much work they are in for, and that if it really was that simple than everyone would be doing it. Running a project is not just throwing some content and source together, it becomes a whole other realm when you all of a sudden have many players to respond to and integrity of the project as a whole to maintain.

That being said, appreciate that there is EQEmu in its current form and that there is as much availability as there is and there is in my opinion, an incredibly healthy attitude about sharing and contribution amongst many. I feel obligated myself to continue to facilitate this as much as I can even though my days of playing with server content have been gone for quite some time. It's been about giving back to a community that gives people so much freedom and ability to express their own creativity and learn things they had no idea they'd even affiliate themselves to.

To conclude, if someone wants to head up a next-to classic project, organize it and run it with a healthy, non-spiting attitude that is of P99 I more than welcome it. However I must say, good luck.

[Speedz]

TAKProject and EQMacEmu have seen many benefits from p99.
I fully agree with your sentiments Akka.
People tend to fly into the scene and do very little to investigate the history of something before making assumptions and flame wars.

[provocating]

Originally Posted by Speedz

TAKProject and EQMacEmu

The reason I say the same is that GiT for EQMacEmu points back to TakProject.

Aren't they the same? You also have to think that people like Haynor are involved in both projects. There is no way things are not implemented on both TakProject and P1999.

[Speedz]

TAKProject hosts the EQMacEmu parent. But it is slightly different in it's own ways.
Even before Haynar's involvement we saw a number of advances in the project directly from p99.

Only Haynar can comment on what is a direct take from p99. which from my understanding is nothing past code he personally made.

EQMacEmu is what EQEmu is to all general servers. p99, PEQ, and any other server in the list.

TAKP and p2002 just are servers based off that code with their own twist.
In a public hosted server there will always need to be some form of closed source.
Be it experimental unstable code, or security bits.

Also not all coders want their code public. So there is that issue that needs to be accounted for as well.
No single dev owes anything beyond giving credit for another coder's work. I think that has gotten lost multiple times in threads like this.

[provocating]

Thank you for clearing that up Speedz