P99 is the Slackware of EQEmu

[rhyotte]

I have really only just returned to playing EMU again. Had a move halfway across the US. By the way, I was definitely not bashing. I kinda assumed there was at least some code sharing going on at some level.

Oddly enough, I started a toon on PEQ before the one on P99 last night I like PEQ too! This thread piqued my interest enough to start an OLD School toon to get a feel of that Old Slow Burn...heh!

[MarcusD]

All publicity is good publicity.

Problem is all the classicness is in one server and one group of peoples hands. Rhyotte you are the type of person who is hurt the most by what p99 is doing. Classic eq is I feel in many of our eyes is a goal not as an end but as a means. If we had a fresh clean classic eq database and client that worked with eqemu then the rest is butter. You could make your awesome sequel to classic eq. But where it stands now one kid has a junky classic bike and likes to show it off since it is the only classic bike whereas the rest (yourself included) are still figuring out how to make the wheel. It is bad for p99 because all the people who could be working to make the bike amazing are stuck still figuring out how to make axles and bearings from scratch. It is just plain bad for the community and the broader everquest 1 movement in general. I'm not complaining p99 isn't releasing its source. I'm saying we need to man up and finally get the project of "classic" eq done right and open and therefore can expand on it. I'm hopefully going to start working with AdrianD here and the direction he has, I believe, is to use titanium client and just work on the database to get it as classic as possible. I think it is a great direction and probably exactly what p99 did. Once we get that done and open source my goal would be then to work on the client, heck maybe learn some C++.

We can all agree that everquest was the greatest mmo ever made and for us wannabe mmo developers it is the perfect template to start with. We just need a cleaned up working template. SoE mudflated their way to scraping the EQ ship for all it was worth at expense of immersion and keeping original zones and gear relavant, etc etc. What I feel we all care about in this discussion is cleaning the sh*t stained walls lol.

PS: P99...we're comin' for ya

[provocating]

Originally Posted by MarcusD

heck maybe learn some C++.

See you really need to be here first before you even get started. Do you know C++, Perl, Lua or MySQL at all? Can you at least do joins? Using the editors just is not enough. EqEmu and PEQ are focusing on the expansion they stopped at, which is GoD. You are going to have to know how to code to accomplish this.

Classic mechanics like pets not zoning, boats, harmony being AoE, 11% max XP, Conning. Those things plus 100 more need to be taken care of. I am not trying to dissuade you but you need to think about these things. It is great having and idea and ambition but you have to put the time in and acquire the skills.

I joined this place in 2007 and lurked for a long time. Eventually starting my first server and having to go through the creation and compile process got my feet wet. It was the players that pushed me, they wanted many things fixed and I had no clue how to do them. It forced me to learn Perl to start, not many source changes. Eventually with LoF I had to really start learning C++ because our source has to be different from PEQ because of the Era we are focusing on. Players have a great way of pushing you to learn more than you already know.

MySQL was close enough to MSSQL that I already know from work so that came naturally.

[MarcusD]

Provoc I'm not a kid lol I know that I am going to have to learn. This isn't about me getting my fix of classic eq, one of the goals in my life is to make my own mmo and a great way to do that is pick up where the original 989 release left off. My only question is if I should work backwards from eqemu or work from scratch with a new client but I don' know enough about what is going on to know the best way forward. I am working with/for adrian so I can get my finger in the door and start learning with a mentor. My thought though is that 989 used some type of C++ tool to where some program wrote the code for what they wanted to build so I don't want to have to learn latin when spanish works know what I'm saying?

And the troll accusations begin (from demonstar not tyen)! Never has anyone ever called me a troll my entire life except in relation to p99. During my time there not only did the players relentlessly call me a troll but even the devs joined in! You can go search for marcusd in the p99 forums and see how I was treated there (if they didn't delete all my threads which it looks like they did). Great community you got there!

And tyen I totally agree. We will get there together, open source=working together. And since p99 hasn't been open they have no part in what is coming. They could have been the leaders of a great new movement but instead once we reinvent the wheel they will get run over by the movement instead. Sorry .