someone fucked up the wiki...

[wraithlord98]

I've stated in several posts elsewhere - as well as in the chat rooms.. last time I was involved in this project - it was on release 0.2.0 or something or other? The current release is 0.6.3? Even then I was still just trying to learn.. I'm still trying to learn.. And that was the whole point - I got slammed dunked for asking questions trying to learn - because I couldn't find the answers in the coveted wiki and the forums even after searching for hours on end because of the mess they're in.. You say fix them.. I say sure - all's fine and well with that - but I can't fix what I don't know is broke.. I now know some of the things that are broke by going through it - but since a lot of it is all jumbled in one giant mess - was easier to just sort it out to another website for the time being.

Folks say rip the code apart - learn that way.. well I can't sit there and off the top of my head say I need to learn one particular thing or another without first seeing what the overall thing involves.. it'd be like baking a cake without knowing the ingrediants.. it goes much smoother seeing what it is that you need - then you gather the ingrediants and combine them so you get the desired results. Coding is way above my head - sure.. but I'm willing to try and learn.. give me a clue and point me in the right direction - that's all I've asked. I've never expected anything to just be handed to me.

And to answer the questions as to why packet sniffing and pulling the content from live over - easy enough.. I said I'd like to learn - not put myself through hell making thousands upon thousands of entries needed to populate the zones to a point where they were playable and entertaining. I've seen the data structure of the Emu.. I've worked with it.. By no means do I understand all of it. I'd like to - and that takes time. I just figured it would be a lot easier pulling content from live and porting it to the dbase (easier said than done).

I'd just like to say for the record - I never intended for this to turn into World War 3.. things were said on both sides that shouldn't have been said.. tempers flaired and we let it get the best of us.. but damn it - you want my help - tell me how I could best help you out.. if sorting through the forums is how I can best help - then just tell me. Don't just criticize me for not contributing... there's more than 1 way to make contributions even if it doesn't directly involve coding.

As for suggestions? I'd suggest you take all the old posts and archive them so that the relevant information can be reposted, stickied, organized into the wiki or whatever it is you think would be the best way to organize it - which is why we chose a new website.. clean slate.. not cluttered to hell.. makes it way easier to organize. You can criticize me all you like about choosing to host it on a new website - but it's been highly effective.. and if you don't believe me about our intentions to get it back into the wiki - ask Nicholas (as much as you hate the hell out of him right now); those were our intentions from the start. As to the wiki getting screwed with like it did - I had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Short of it is this.. believe what you like.. criticize all you want.. I did what I did for a reason. I had good intentions - I don't care what you choose to believe - but right now I got a bitter taste in my mouth from everything and I'm not sure exactly what it is I'm going to do.

[solid11]

You do realize this is a "game" emulation..........game. You know, an entertainment pastime? It sounds like your about to cry over this. Move on man. You don't want to develop ulcers or anti-social behavior over crap like this do you? If it pisses you off then just remove eqemu from your favorites list. Just that easy. Don't let if affect you as much as your making it.

Ok a few points, making a diferent forum for each version would just confuse people more, not less.

The stuff thats frustrating you people is the same stuff thats frustrated thousands of people before you, and it CANT be fixed, yes I sayd CANT.

There is hundreds of man hours already into the forums to attempt fixing the issues, it would take a person working on it full time 40+ hours a week to fix and maintain it, and we dont have the resorces to do that, and everyone offering would get fed up and leave the project like the 15 or so people who have already done just that.

Yes attitudes could be better, yes we have some rude people, but this is an open source free project, we are NOT aloud to controle who comes here unless they violate the community or open source rules.

The wikki is under everyones controle, make it the way you want it.

[gottasummer]

That is what I personally disagree with.

Not to disrespect you in any way at all, but I feel like if we were to have some people who were devoted, and be here for a while, some people who do not have a bad reputation, some people that are caring and "give a shit" about what happens, the EMU, and just other people in general.

I would not take the time to write this if I felt like this was not possible. I feel like it can be done, I feel like people in general can be nice, and can make a difference.

And by making a new forum for each version, I had forgot to mention, after a new version is put up, you lock the old one and make it invisible so nobody can view / access it.

Anyway, I personally feel like your message was rude, I feel like it could be done.

Now, 40+ hours a week for me at least would not be too hard, take about 3 or 4 hours a week on monday-friday, and take a lot longer on saturday and sunday... i have done the calculations, it should equal out to be around 40, granted some people are busy and have a social life.

One big reason why I feel like so many people have failed to suceed is because they feel like they can make a change so quickly, I personally do not set expectations of myself, I set some, but I do not set them high, I do have goals, but a few things about me that some of you probably did not know:


I tend to be a loner, and have a very little, if any, social life
I enjoy learning, and very seldom give up.
If someone respects me, or is willing to learn, I will treat them with respect as well.


I do not know why people have been joining the project, do nothing, then leave. Unfortunately for me, I tend to be an observer of human nature, I might not be as loyal as some of you may wish, but that does not excuse the fact that I feel sorrow for the developers, and I do get annoyed when people expect so much.

And how many of you post anything saying thanks, or make a donation to the developers? I doubt most of you have done that

One thing I have learned is that if you want someone to do something for you, don't nag them about it, show respect, give them space, and thank them.

There are many improvements ahead, many of you just expect something that you can click and run, and do not want to contribute. One of the advantages of an open source project is that, it is not just a group of people's project, it is all of ours, all that are willing to contribute, and if you can't do that, show support.

One thing that I hated was to see that chat log, FatherNitwit is doing all of this with hardly anything in return from most of us. I did something I doubt that any of you would consider doing, show thanks, I had made a donation to EQEmu last night.

And I can say only this, there are a couple of new features that will get all of you guys very excited shortly, especially those who have a hard time working with the source and compiling it yourself.

Come on, it is time that some of us step up and take some of the burdon, and try...

Originally Posted by mattmeck

Ok a few points, making a diferent forum for each version would just confuse people more, not less.

The stuff thats frustrating you people is the same stuff thats frustrated thousands of people before you, and it CANT be fixed, yes I sayd CANT.

There is hundreds of man hours already into the forums to attempt fixing the issues, it would take a person working on it full time 40+ hours a week to fix and maintain it, and we dont have the resorces to do that, and everyone offering would get fed up and leave the project like the 15 or so people who have already done just that.

Yes attitudes could be better, yes we have some rude people, but this is an open source free project, we are NOT aloud to controle who comes here unless they violate the community or open source rules.

The wikki is under everyones controle, make it the way you want it.