Classic or era-based server content

[MarcusD]

Originally Posted by provocating

Everything you need to know is here.

http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php

struggling to find lol I have been there but couldn't find any downloads or whatnot.

[Furniture]

Desynching is a server issue btw, it doesn't have anything to do with how good a client is

[mgellan]

Thanks man appreciate the pointers -- Mg

[AdrianD]

It's a risk in humility but going through 'any lengths' to keep something open that someone requests remains closed from the beginning is not making something 'open source' - that's called stealing and is not part of the open source mantra.

I agree.

EQEmulator is not a community where we leak the latest and greatest programmers in the communities' work. If you want that type of community, I recommend this website: www.ragezone.com

I don't know what that is.

..................

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You seem to be describing a club with the community inside the club.

Stealing is not the intention of `many`. If `many` had the ability/time to make contributions, they would. Sure, `many2` may have no interest in contributing, this is established.

Semantics aside, this seems to be more of an issue of general outlook on things.

Those that say "let's make this work" and those that are devil's advocates.

There is a place for each in the club/community.

[Uleat]

Originally Posted by image

Lets be honest, we potentially stole EverQuest ..

If that's the case, then they were listening more to their marketers and not to their consumer base...

[haynar]

Yes, I dev on P99 and Takp. I have helped out on EQEmu a little too, but not much.

I have added several of things I did on p99 to takp. Nothing is a cut and paste anymore. There are many differences that make it basically so I have to re-develop things.

Nilbog and Rogean, with what they do on p99, was never the intention to have a server so populated. And there has been many thing that were necessary for that too. P99 was always about recreating the "classic" experience. If people wanted to play there, that's great too.

There are things I co-develop on both projects, like changes to the pathing systems. Those have diverged enough, they are still similar, but different.

There are things I have added to takp, that should be added to eqemu too. The original rotation code on p99 was done by Kanras, and for the life of me I struggled so hard to figure out exactly how it worked. And for the longest time I couldn't. But when learning how to decypher the movement delta's on takp, I figured out how the heading delta worked too. That let me do a new implementation of heading deltas, to allow mobs to rotate during certain movements.

Could I do more to contribute to the main EQEmu project? Sure, if I had time. I like to play this game too. I have gotten a whole one blue of exp, in the last 3 months. But I don't care.

If you want a "classic" server handed to you to work on? Get the PEQ db, start making changes. Work at it 30-40 hrs a week, for the next 2 years, with 2 or 3 other people, and tada, you will have it too.

Good luck. Happy coding.

And Go SLAY the DRAGON!!!!

Haynar

[provocating]

Originally Posted by haynar

If you want a "classic" server handed to you to work on? Get the PEQ db, start making changes. Work at it 30-40 hrs a week, for the next 2 years, with 2 or 3 other people, and tada, you will have it too.

Haynar

And you can take that to the bank. It is a huge time-sink. I work a 40 hour a week job and spend 4~5 hours a night working on my own server. I manage to spend a small amount of time playing, but that dwindles more and more. Luckily this week the Mantis tickets slowed down so I got a bit more play time in.

[MarcusD]

Originally Posted by haynar

Yes, I dev on P99 and Takp. I have helped out on EQEmu a little too, but not much.

I have added several of things I did on p99 to takp. Nothing is a cut and paste anymore. There are many differences that make it basically so I have to re-develop things.

Nilbog and Rogean, with what they do on p99, was never the intention to have a server so populated. And there has been many thing that were necessary for that too. P99 was always about recreating the "classic" experience. If people wanted to play there, that's great too.

There are things I co-develop on both projects, like changes to the pathing systems. Those have diverged enough, they are still similar, but different.

There are things I have added to takp, that should be added to eqemu too. The original rotation code on p99 was done by Kanras, and for the life of me I struggled so hard to figure out exactly how it worked. And for the longest time I couldn't. But when learning how to decypher the movement delta's on takp, I figured out how the heading delta worked too. That let me do a new implementation of heading deltas, to allow mobs to rotate during certain movements.

Could I do more to contribute to the main EQEmu project? Sure, if I had time. I like to play this game too. I have gotten a whole one blue of exp, in the last 3 months. But I don't care.

If you want a "classic" server handed to you to work on? Get the PEQ db, start making changes. Work at it 30-40 hrs a week, for the next 2 years, with 2 or 3 other people, and tada, you will have it too.

Good luck. Happy coding.

And Go SLAY the DRAGON!!!!

Haynar

So your saying that you guys feel like forcing everyone to spend 12,000 hours so they can start actually improving p99 database instead of reinventing the wheel? If p99 really only cared about the classic implementation and didn't care about having a monopoly of players then why would you place a 12,000 hr hurdle to others who have the same goal? Come on don't tell me it isn't about the coin.

In a free society anyone can do what they want but that doesn't stop me and people like me for calling people out on their BS.

I wonder if any of the p99 donators have ever asked for an audit to see where their money is ACTUALLY going . That would be interesting.

[provocating]

Originally Posted by MarcusD

I wonder if any of the p99 donators have ever asked for an audit to see where their money is ACTUALLY going . That would be interesting.

No one is forcing their hand in donations. They contribute because they know how much the developers bust their asses, daily. No matter how you feel about p1999, they owe you nor me nothing. As I said before, if you want something bad enough then start working on it, like now.

[Speedz]

If you took as much time looking through databases that ARE available as is spent stirring up a pot that is not on the stove, you would see that the EQMacEmu database is one of the most accurate to classic open databases out there. If anything is wrong, we take reports and investigate it and improve it. There are a number of things that are incorrect on p99 that were improved on in our database. But they by NO means have a monopoly.

Grab a database that is open and start looking through it. You may answer much of your own concerns.

[MarcusD]

Originally Posted by Speedz

If you took as much time looking through databases that ARE available as is spent stirring up a pot that is not on the stove, you would see that the EQMacEmu database is one of the most accurate to classic open databases out there. If anything is wrong, we take reports and investigate it and improve it. There are a number of things that are incorrect on p99 that were improved on in our database. But they by NO means have a monopoly.

Grab a database that is open and start looking through it. You may answer much of your own concerns.

So this would work with regular eqemu?

[provocating]

Originally Posted by MarcusD

So this would work with regular eqemu?

Sure it will, with work.

[MarcusD]

Originally Posted by provocating

Sure it will, with work.

Thanks for the "no It doesn't work" answer. Anything is possible with work. 'How much work' is the only question.

[provocating]

Isn't that subjective to your skill level? Not was not an asshole response, just the truth. If you have knowledge of EqEmu then less than 30 minutes maybe. May have to add/remove table fields, etc. Peq has changed their structure of the tables here and there. EqMac is just a bit different.

[ghanja]