Rudeness - Page 2

a_Guest03 · #1 06-23-2003, 03:22 AM

They can do whatever they like. Like he said, if you don't like it, you're free to leave.

I've seen a LOT of bulldookie get thrown around for inane problems, and it happens even to me. I don't claim to have any power, and rightly so, but I donate time and money to the project. I often go out of my way to resolve every problem I can in the support forums, and it wears on me. I'm sure it wears on the devs more, because there's even more that they can solve that they've solved 1000 times, just to have some guy refuse to read the canned solution.

If you won't read the canned solution, despite it being tried and true, then you disrespect the person suggesting it. And if you disrespect them for helping you, you deserve their disrespect in return.

If the devs were paid for their time, then there would be some reason for them to save face, cover it up, and forgive the customer. But there is no customer. The user is not always right. If they want to return ill will, let them do so without censure.

Aspirax · #2 06-23-2003, 03:22 AM

No it doesn't. I didn't say that. Do *not* put words in my "mouth".

I'm telling you that an "eye for an eye" is immature. You need to act bigger than that. If you can.

Aspirax · #3 06-23-2003, 03:26 AM

And your post, is exactly why this project is viewed as run by a bunch of "teenagers" from the outside world.

Now, go look at other free, large projects.
phpBB, the forums you use, go read their support.

You won't see anyone being condescending there.
I can list more, if you wish. Or you can continue to present yourselves to the world as "childish, righteous, rude," etc, etc.

Elrach · #4 06-23-2003, 03:30 AM

Quote:

As far as Hogies comment about giving up on the project, go ahead and criticize the one person who bled for this project and spent more time than anyone else holding it together. You guys have gotten a successful EQ emulator out of this and have not had to pay one single dime, and youre mad because he just annoyed by some hate mail and posted it ??

EQEmu is a great project, and for that I am grateful to everyone who participates. I'm not "mad" at Hogie, I'm simply dissappointed. No, EQEmu isn't a professional project. But nonetheless, when you have the leaders acting up, it makes it that much more difficult to take it seriously.

This is an opinion, not an attack. I just hope Hogie will think about this is an objective light.

Ok, now back to pretending to work so I can find out more about zoning and that login bug...

a_Guest03 · #5 06-23-2003, 03:41 AM

Stop retorting if you're bigger than them. I swear, you're being a hypocrite. "If you can." is just another retort. For someone who's "bigger than that", you sure throw a lot of punches.

Aspirax · #6 06-23-2003, 03:43 AM

Obviously, you aren't reading for content. I don't throw any punches.

a_Guest03 · #7 06-23-2003, 03:44 AM

Thanks for the insult. That's all I needed to prove my point. I know I'm calling you a hypocrite and egging you on, and I know you're calling the devs childish for that, but you claimed to be bigger than that.

Aspirax · #8 06-23-2003, 03:49 AM

What you are doing now, is antagonizing me.

I'm not insulting you. Quit trying to play things up.
"Read for content" is just that. I make some valid points, if you read my posts for what they are you will see them.

You are not. No insult, none intended.
If I wanted to insult you, I would. I have no desire to insult someone I don't even know.

That's just silly.

Muuss · #9 06-23-2003, 03:50 AM

you say "Seriously" ?

EQ = game
EqEmu = hobby
Devs = people having fun with their hobbies
insults/rants/flaming = devs not having fun anymore
not having fun anymore = no more EqEmu.

As long as this project remains free, leaders, managers and devs must be supported by their community, not ranted or insulted, if they are, WHATEVER is their reaction as long as it stays rationnal, it MUST receive the full support of the community. If you don't support them, don't donate, just whine and rant, you have nothing to do here.

I totally support Hogie, Trump, A_guest and everybody that will follow that path, there's no place for the jerks and peeps who don't see farther than their nose.

Aspirax · #10 06-23-2003, 03:52 AM

"I totally support Hogie, Trump, A_guest and everybody that will follow that path, there's no place for the jerks and peeps who don't see farther than their nose."

Don'r you understand that the devs are acting exactly like you describe?

Or is the "dish it out, but cannot take it" attitude supported by the community as well?

Muuss · #11 06-23-2003, 03:56 AM

I read the content of your messages and totally understand it (even if its not my native language).

Life isnt as easy as saying all the time, 'sorry i misunderstood that insult, can you detail it more please, i would like to know why you're complaining of all those free services i offer you'.

If a guy who represents a wide part of the project is insulted and answers the same way, i agree, yes, even more if i know that he prolly answered correctly the 499 first times, which is certainly what happened.

Aspirax · #12 06-23-2003, 04:01 AM

Go ahead and resturn the insult! Don't post it all publicly. That's just not cool. That's playing dirty to intentionally get the support of the community in an "I'm right" ego trip.

Muuss · #13 06-23-2003, 04:07 AM

well, if you get to many insulting pm, you perhaps need to know if you have the support of the community. Their might be a point where some kind of saturation could happen, and then, you just explose, boooom (i know that hehe).
but you know, i seriously think that some people need to see some public executions to understand the rules... Not everybody, like you or 99% of the readers of that forum, can evaluate their words before they write them and understand what they read...

noindy · #14 06-23-2003, 04:09 AM

ok, everything about EQEmu is great, the support is great, the ideas are great, everything. so y do people insist on finding something wrong? it has been my experience that people just have to have SOMETHING to complain about at any one time, and yes, i am complaining right now, im a person afterall. but leave the damned Devs alone. when you start donating 100 bux a week to THEIR project then YOU can have your say, otherwise piss off. if they want to be childish then dammit they can be. i have seen nothing but astute, polite behavior from any of them for any reason, even with the stupid mongrels who dont read the README before asking how to run the program, or with the people who got outta line first. if i was putting my money into something like this, and was getting CONSTANTLY flamed for running it like I want to, id react the same way, sure you can say "thanks for the insult have a nice day" the first 10 times, and "you people are getting annoying but its ok" till the 1000th time, but at 1001, id be pretty sick of hatemail for something GREAT that i made, and id start responding with fuck you very much, have a shitty day. id say the devs do pretty good restraining considering the rest of you started retorting after what, one little "yo mamma..." insult?

Aspirax · #15 06-23-2003, 04:14 AM

"but leave the damned Devs alone. when you start donating 100 bux a week to THEIR project then YOU can have your say, otherwise piss off"

I guess you are not familiar with the constitution of the United States. Specfically Amendment #1.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...tml#amendmenti

I don't have to pay 100 "bux" a week to their project to discuss their behavoir.

The government allows me to do it for free.

Furthermore, a project without criticism is a project going no where.
Critisism can be constructive, and beneficial. However, here, it seems that it is is just not tolerated.