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Old 06-24-2004, 10:37 PM
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Hello,

Trixy, open your eyes and stop to be struck in the vision you have of the world, yes some devs are leaving, and ? Nothing is static in our world, all thngs evolve, people are joining and leaving, this how its working and you wont change it.
What i will call the "Core Devs" are aware of this "problem" why do you think they created "Junior Dev" rank ? For me, EQEmu will die the day EQEmu "Core Devs" will leave the project, which i hope, will never happen, because for me, EQEmu has a real potential that no server showed, the only server that started to show EQEmu potential is Winter Roar, but Winter Roar only show 1% of what can really offer EQEmu.

I totally agree with WindCatcher about what he call "SuperServer", and this is why i started EverQuest Anthology Server project 2 months ago, i want to offer to players something else than the "Old Good EQLive" that all other servers are offering. EverQuest Anthology will be based on journey quests not XP grinding, contents will be totally new class, new spells, new items, new gamedesign, and new zones, this for me, what is a CUSTOM server, a server offering a total new custom contents, not just only 1000 items and 20 spells added to the server running a DB copied from EQlive and modified a bit.

I was REALLY choked and surprised this week while speaking with Scorpious2k, when i learned that since OpenZone exist NO ONE created new zones for their servers.
I would like to salute WindCatcher persistance in improving OpenZone, because this make a moment now he is improving his software and NO ONE ever used it. We will be glad in the next weeks to post screenshots about our new zones, to show to other players the wonderfull job WindCatcher is making with OpenZone, and this way EQEmu community will start to have a look at the real potential of EQEmu.

I say this to all players experimenting for the first time EverQuest Anthology Server, they are lost, they dont know what is happening to them, and most of the time, half of them just leave without trying to understand. You guys, are struck in your EQlive mentality, like WindCatcher, i think that comparing EQLive to EQEmu is a huge mistake, because EQEmu can offer you much more to you than a basic EQLive copy.

I hope that you wont leave EQEmu Project soon WindCatcher, honestly, because we just started to use your software and having you leaving EQEmu Project would be a big loss, without 3rd Party Tools, EQEmu is a girl you cant have sex with~
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:17 AM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: EQEmu needs its own client. I don't know if SOE is actively trying to break EQEmu, but it seems to me that they're doing a pretty good job of it.

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No shit. End this circle jerk and quit trying to be EQ Live. EQ Live is ghey. With the amount of coders around this place a client COULD be written (and probably run better than SOE's bloated piece of shit) and instead of constantly updating the server source it could become stable and the client could have features added.

Servers would become more abundant and have much more content if people weren't worrying about whether or not a patch was going to break things etc. There would also be a LOT more players within this community.

That's just my opinion. I personally don't plan to do much with EQEmu until it is more stable and has some sort of freeze on it. Just too much work for so little reward to customize a server and database and then have it shot to hell in a following patch.
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Old 06-25-2004, 03:31 AM
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I care about eqemu.

/hug eqemu.

I might be gone as a dev/admin (btw seems im still the admin of the dev cvs system so if i realy wanted to i could add stuff =P) but EQEMu will live on in my heart.

Yeah the current template for the website was made by tuxracer OMG he is this that and the other, but you cant deny he did a decent job on the basic site. Since then its been redone by Lethal and Rogean sooooo many times.

Oh nos! we dont update the code EVERY DAY the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!

as for my run in with LV. Ive talked to gheck since then and we kinda laughed about it. Infact i owe him lunch thanks for reminding me guess i'll go post there next. I could have done far worse to them (rooted their box, buffer overflow their mysql to cause a dos on their own server, ect.) but i didnt, that wasnt my goal. Its funny in retrospect that image took most of the heat for it. He was there yes, but couldnt stop me even if he tryed. Guess i wasnt as hated arround here as i had once thought =P

I was upset after somone pasted some pm's from their forum to me. Reading that some (not all) lead LV where planning to hack me, or have others try, was not acceptable. Given the situation and the bit of info i was given i did what i thought was right at the time. Looking back might not have been the best thing to do, but i did it.
Whoopdy fucking do. get over it. They have.


Ghecko if ya by chance read this post pm me yer pay pal fewl i need to send ya yer lunch $$.
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Old 06-25-2004, 03:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Windcatcher
I've said this before and I'll say it again: EQEmu needs its own client. I don't know if SOE is actively trying to break EQEmu, but it seems to me that they're doing a pretty good job of it.
(This is not directed at anyone in particular, if anyones takes offense to this, that is your problem)

I disagree. Undertaking reimplementing a full 3D client is a major undertaking.

Most SoE patches that "break" EQEmu are OpCode changes. Less often structure changes. Even less often major changes like the 6/22 reinstitution of login crypto.

The first two would be solved a lot faster if:
1) People were half-way smart about patching. Backup before you patch. It's not a new thing.
2) Don't just sit there and bitch about it. Get on Live and collect some packets. Don't have a live account? Find a buddy who does and get him to or use his account.
3) Pull the code and fucking fix some bugs yourself. This is -OPEN- source remember.

We recover from most patches pretty quickly, I feel. And the smarter people are about patching the longer they will be able to play while we become compatible with live.
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Old 06-25-2004, 04:22 AM
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I agree that it would be a large undertaking to rewrite the entire client. It would certainly be good, but it seems almost impossible.

What's being done on Winter's Roar is, to me, the best approach to handling the issue of patches. Granted, there may be some copyright infringements that EQEmu doesn't want to get into that may be involved with the distribution that WR uses, but the system seems to work.

It would be a shame to see EQEmu die. I thoroughly enjoy playing it, and I appreciate the work which the devs put into it.
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Old 06-25-2004, 05:12 AM
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Don't listen to any of the crying, you guys are doing a great job and the MAJORITY of us appreciate the hell outta it.

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Old 06-25-2004, 06:33 AM
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Oh no! If eqemu makes their own client! More newbie questions!! arrghh..


1.) "One that already exists but even more o fit"
Where can I download the emulator for eqemu!?

2.) Why cant I load my own server?

3.) WHY WONT ANYONE HELP ME?????

4.) Can someone send me the eqlive files? The eqemu client broke my everquest :(

But I think a eqemu client would > SOE Updates but also, keep in mind that we need a server that can hold up to 2gigs of EqEmu Files. And also, this would be one heck of a project and you would need all dev's in on it, so you would have to stop all source updates. I completely support the idea though Although, I think this person "Soms" should be banned because he is a person in mIRC that IS a Senior-GM on everquest live and threatens to ban peoples eqlive accounts from looking up their ip address on mIRC and tracing ip's to accounts they play on... I seriously suggest their IP is G-Lined.... but other than that.. sounds like a good idea
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by x-scythe
Trixy: you are so fu**ing wrong. maybe sometime the devs do do stupid stuff, but wtf? they cant have fun too? they arent some special kind of human breed that is supposed to be perfect or not do anything wrong. plus, this is fu**ing free. people do have a life you know...if you want weekly or daily updates, go to live. if you want people who care 90-100% about the project, go to live. you just need to step back and realize where you are: EQEmu.

So here my advice to you,
YOU open YOUR eyes.
I'm not saying I want them, i'm just suggesting that's how you run a project. And it's funny you can even say anything about your server being compromised, when it doesn't even matter. If you don't take pride in what you do, then why should you care at all?

I do give them credit, especially Image for standing by the project through all the shit it's gone through.

You CAN have fun, but that's not THE FUCKING POINT I WAS MAKING. Please read

If you want to start making a big deal about something that doesn't even matter. Drplump compromising anything, I doubt it, he wasn't the reason for the down time, he had access to the database, what was he going to do, steal everyone hashes to login emulator accounts that mean shit to him? Drplump wouldn't do shit like that.

But yeah, the main point out of what I was trying to say was not even pointed to you, it was pointed at the devs. Good job being hypocrits.

Now, thanks for your mystical retorts Melwin, and everyone else just going, "LOLOLOL HES A TARD LOLZ". But if you actually read my post and had the brain the size compacity of a pea, you would understand what I was trying to say.

I've been here since the beginning, i've been with projects since HackersQuest's beginning. It's open source, it's free, they do it for free, yes.. but there is more to things then you think.

"SERVER COMPRISED"
Forums: YAE YAE, HE'S A IDIOT, TARD, LOL OLO LO LOL.

If anything, I think the projects downfall is the users support. I even blame myself for this. But not enough people support the project.

Again, whatever.. I don't even care, I just came back to post something cause I find it funny as fuck that drplump was quickly banned.

As for the person asking about the public loginserver.. that was forfeited a long time ago, and it was only to a certain extent, it would need to be updated heavily as the loginserver has changed its protocols and been redone totally (as of the new expansion, or whatever the reason they made the loginserver all pretty now). Lucid Vision hexed the minilogin to allow more slots.

That's not the reason the devs messed with LV, there was more to it, I won't go into details, because it doesn't even matter, it's just the point.. that the devs are great hypocrits at this point.


Edit: Just read devn00bs post. I'm glad you can think of it all lightly, cause I was being light about the situation, infact, I don't even give a fuck, I was saying what I thought, because it's the reality of this project. I'm disappointed the way it turned out, not because of what the devs are doing, but because of the way its gone. It used to be an awesome community, but like I said before, everything dies.
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:51 PM
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Again, whatever.. I don't even care, I just came back to post something cause I find it funny as fuck that drplump was quickly banned.

Oh, Thats right, I guess I overreacted a bit when I banned him so "quickly". I mean, it must have been an accident on his part, right? He didnt mean to install a backdoor on the system and then exploit it, he was just looking for the bathroom, right?

BTW, just in the off chance you didnt catch it, I was using a little sarcasm.
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:57 PM
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Hey, this isn't where I parked my car!

Trixy, why would we just be like "Ok DrPlump, just don't do it again ok ^_^ I love you so much your so cute"
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Old 06-25-2004, 04:06 PM
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Trixy: In response to your opinion on the EQEmu project, I must voice my own opinion. I do not see how you get the idea that the EQEmu project is in any way, shape, or form falling apart. Infact, I think the devs are working probably harder than they were when the project first started because of the constant updates from SOE that break the emu. They have had to to fix after fix after fix to get it running with the latest client again. I do not think the devs had to do as many fixes by EQLive patches breaking it. Of course, I could be wrong. I was not here when it first began, but, I have been here since 4.3, and I do not remember EQLive breaking it as often as it is now. Maybe SOE is doing it on purpose...who knows, but I still do not think at all that the project is falling apart. A while back, as you should remember, the forums were pretty much falling apart. The devs kept enforcing new, harsher rules, and everything seemed as if it was plunging into chaos. Well, the forums have improved MUCH since then. The project may be stronger than ever.

Sincerely,
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Old 06-25-2004, 04:34 PM
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It used to be an awesome community, but like I said before, everything dies.
My grand'ma say this too "Oh KhaN, when i was young the world was soooo much better, now KhaN, its only weird things ..."

Nothing die, all things evolve, the one who cant evolve according to the situation will die, and the one who will evolve will survive, its called Darwin law. You will die trixy, and no one will remember your name.
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Old 06-25-2004, 05:12 PM
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Old 06-25-2004, 06:04 PM
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i have sex with goats :/
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Old 06-25-2004, 06:05 PM
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Keep it to yourself.
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