What kind of server are YOU looking for?

[KhaN]

Building a DB is easy comparing to model new zones/objects, hell, even my grand'ma could build a DB. For example, spawn a whole zone, lets say, EC, it take what, an hour ?
Also, actually, technically, no servers run custom zones, many servers plan to make custom zones, but none were really released to public and used on a server.

Thru, thanks for offer, but im already working on a small thing

[Woodlife Treestrider]

You have obviously not had much experience with MySql if you think its easy to change it as you might suggest. Changing small bits at a time is easy in general, that's if you have all the information you need. Let's take editing items for example (which believe it or not, is NOT the easiest thing to change, theres much simpler ones.). To change an item you must first have the idea of what type of item you want it to be. Let take an uber sword you plan on making for example. Ok, first, think of a creative name that players will want to use. Then, think, "Well, I need the weapon to be balanced class-wise, so what stats can I use or NOT use. And also, will the stats I give it be to weak or too powerful for the mobs on my server? Also, how do I get the itemids or the fileids, or the iconids. These are NECESARY pretty much. Now, maybe I want to make it a 1hs, ok, whats the skill number. Now, I want it to have a spell that procs, ok, whats the spell id? Now, whats the number to make it a worn proc? Ok, got those, let's go in game and check it out!" So, now your in game, you summon the item and.... oh. It doesn't work? Well, let's go back to the DB, find the item, and either redo everything or find the source of the problem. These problems can be SO small its unbelieveable. From having the wrong class number (the number that tells the DB which classes can use) to the wrong weapon type. So, let's fix the problem, go back in game and check it out. Ok, it works but the graphic isn't what I was wanting, lets go back and change it real quick. Now, what if you want the epic 2.0 graphic? Well, I have only known of few people whom know these numbers. One being myself, and I even have the class written next to it for each graphic. ok, we got 'em, lets go change it and check it out. Ok, in game, woot, it works and freakin awesome lookin now. Now, to try it on the mobs in my game. Well, this weapon will be available to people who will get exp in these zones, so let's go try it out on those mobs. Hmmm, seems a little strong or a little weak even, gonna have to beef it up. Well anyway, the problems and lists of things to do, can go on and on and on. Obviously, its not simple as you think. And also, making zones from scratch using openzone isn't all that easy and can get somewhat annoying trying to work with it. And, my server had new zones, but my comp being a piece of crap couldn't handle a server so I never got a chance to put it up for the public. But don't worry, the server im working on now (Path of Chaos) should be awesome and will have custom zones. So, to sum it up, no its not simple to edit a WHOLE DB to make the server totally custom. For the person who has to work on it, its a pain in the ass, but of course its worth it in the end, but it still is a job in its self to get there. So, even though I simpathize with you in that I would love to make a whole new EverQuest so to speak, it is NOT as easy as you so make it.

Orknel

P.S.
Path of Chaos website is www.boppoom.net check it out, it should be alot of fun.

[Baron Sprite]

can someone give me the cliff notes of that dude's post it's too long to read and riddicule

[Cisyouc]

Baron: He basically was ranting on how if you dont remember stuff or take reference notes, db editing isnt easy.

Woodlife: I completely disagree. With good organization, db editing is probably the easiest part of an eqemu. Doing it en masse is where it gets...more difficult.

[Woodlife Treestrider]

Originally Posted by Cisyouc

Woodlife: I completely disagree. With good organization, db editing is probably the easiest part of an eqemu. Doing it en masse is where it gets...more difficult.

No, I feel you. I took this as an example cause it is what easy to give an example. But yes, I was trying to show how a person new to DB editing or server creating could have many problems. I mean, even the best can have problems and it can get annoying. But in general, yea DB editing is the easiest part, but when you try to edit the WHOLE thing to make a completely custom server, that's where problems and errors occur.

Baron: I have nothing to say, but this. Don't be a follower. If you were really a smart guy and what not, you would read and do with Cisyouc did. You post what you did cause your afraid of saying someone is right or wrong, and looking at the whole picture. Do yourself a favor, grow up.

Orknel

[Knight Errant]

Though I have not played an EQ Private Server I would probably like EQ Live\Roleplaying. Anyone know any Servers out there like that?

[Pins]

I would like to see a server that is a recreation of classic everquest (no expansions what so ever) with Guild VS. Guild or Everyone vs. Everyone PVP with no level restrictions on killing.

[Woodlife Treestrider]

Pathetic. Khan, you posting this on the IRC shows your newb-ness. These posts where NOT meant to be a flame but rather a way to show you and others that there aren't enough skilled and willing people to make a totally custom server with all new zones and mob types and blah blah blah. I NEVER said that there are none, but that its highly unlikely we will see very many. There are a few servers around, namely scorp2k and another one I forgot, that got close to having a truely awesome server. Unfortunately, they got boring cause class balance was not very great, and grouping wasn't even working and it was useless anyhow. Also, a good server requires more than just leveling everytime you get on. If you want to make a good server, have multiple zones (I mean like, ALOT of them) that you can level in, not just 8 or 9 inbetween level ranges. Also, you need to have a really great story, and implement it to incorporate itself into the game somehow. Cause all leveling and no story is BORING and dumb. I mean, I could type up a freakin' essay telling you how to make a good server but im sure you are smart enough to figure it out. Now, please remember, this ISN'T a flame, but im just trying to show people that custom servers are awesome, but being able to make a server where the eq zones and the mobs are all different isn't easy. Even though I would honestly put the time into doing this, I don't have the money to afford a better comp or a host. So, the closest I can get to it is by helping out boppoom. So, once again, THIS ISN'T A FLAME, IT'S A REALLITY CHECK FOR PEOPLE EXPECTING TOO MUCH OF THIS COMMUNITY.

Orknel

P.S.
Rich: You mention how Khan was a senior member.... big freakin' whoop, just means he posts more than I do.

[|Revenant|]

I basicly want EQ with a moderate increase in EXPERIENCE GAIN and have all the spells, no teleport tickets or anything like that. Also increase the drop rate.

[canehdian]

woodlife, why dont you just DL eqadmin?, makes my server editing VERY VERY VERY easy, cause its not very hard to edit a DB at all using the right tool i mean, honestly your just doing it the hard way....so im kinda with Khan on this one

[Belfedia]

Eqadmin don't work with 6.0 ://
or you have a good link for a new version ?

i want a server where i can play a necshamaclerik!!! Or a Shadowpallbeast!!!

[waternorth]

Woodlife Treestrider,

You have no clue where KhaN is coming from, do you? I suggest you go and take a look at WoA screenshots, and when the server comes out, (which it will), I suggest you log on, and take a fucking look at the guy who "has obviously not had much experience with MySql."

Going to tell me to grow up? Good. I'm thirteen, and proud of it. Please read the following links:

http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/sho...t=17682&page=1
http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17354

Thanks.

[Tajk]

i voted for a non legit server cause i would like to see a non legit server to spend our time upon, but leave out #heal, #kill, #damage etc
just #level, #zone, #setaapts, #setskillall, #scribespells etc

[Kaiyousei]

What I'd be most interested in is a custom-legit, dedicated server (I'm more than willing to donate a few dollars per month or so when I can afford it in order to help with operating expenses on a dedicated server), more heavily focused on quests than most... I've never been a fan of pure hack-and-slash. And not the typical "camp one slow-spawn mob for 8 hours to get one stupid item whose significance is lost to all memory and turn it in for no real reward, just some crappy exp and some lame item" quests like always existed on eqlive either, but good quests, where it's fun and exciting, and potentially dangerous to your character's health, and probably in some way level restricted to maintain that danger. Quests with worthwile rewards, so that people actually feel like doing them. Quests which have some sort of compelling plot and purpose behind them, not just because. Perhaps semi-randomized quests they way a lot of MUD's do it these days... if you aren't familiar with what I'm talking about, it basically works like this: Find quest giving NPC... ask for a quest... system evaluates your level and chooses a quest from among numerous possible quests for your level... NPC tells you about the chosen quest which some 25%-50% of the time you won't be capable of completeing without a good deal of help, and another 25% or so you will need at least a LITTLE help... you are given a specific time limit in which to complete the quest... successful completion of the quest results in rewards of exp (not a lot, but worthwile usually), money (usually quite a lot more than you could make on your own doing hack-and-slash for the length of time it took you to complete the quest), and quest points, which are redeemable for various things ranging from permanently increased stats or skills to high-end items. Now as far as the semi-randomized quest rewards go, I think that exp is more valuable than money, and I don't know how you would incorporate stat and/or skill increases into a system of rewards for quest points but I think you see where I'm going with all this (yes, ldon was a LITTLE like this, but it was still just meaningless hack-and-slash).

Now of course, that sort of server would require a HELL of a lot of time in development and would need a highly dedicated staff to maintain it, but it's certainly something I'd be interested in. If I had half a clue how to code quests for the emu I'd be tempted to spend my time doing so rather than doing my homework, but I don't, so someone else (several someone elses actually) would need to do so.

Last note... It's entirely possible (not very likely, but entirely possible) that such a server already exists. In which case, please let me know what server, and point in the direction of any forum threads, web sites, etc. which are related to it. I'm hoping to find a new server to play on soon as the one I currently play on has been ignoring my desperate pleas for a bug fix since October (the staff has made no comments on it whatsoever, and everyone else keeps telling me it's a problem on my end because only a few people complain about it... which I can't accept as true because I've tried more than a small few suggestions of how to fix it, with no success, and I never have any problems on other servers *shrugs*)

Kaiyousei