Blizzard shutting down WoW emu...

[solid11]

Wow, Ranger sounds like a recruiter for Sony, wink, wink, JK Ranger. I totally agree with him that if you have never experienced live before coming here then you missed out on what all this work is about. The reason so many people work so hard on emu is they liked what they played on live (before some of the crappy expansions hit I bet). I have pumped so much money to SOE in the last 3 years... expansions, multiple account subscriptions, yada yada. I just reupped my account for the sole purpose of collecting, but even I found myself hanging with some old friends on there and reliving old times.

Do what Rangerdown says and experience live content before coming on here , and you'll know why bugs and problems are so hard to fix sometimes. You'll know why everyone works so hard with no returns besides knowing you helped the Emu and the community as a whole.

[Sakrateri]

Ive got 6 live accounts which I still play from time to time . I have lost serious interest with the advent of lucline and everything else beyond. Though I do not play my accounts have been payed uninterupted since 2000, I have several high level characters and make a nice group for myself but the fun has died out and the reason for it is the serious lack of a brains needed to play on live anymore. I have found working on a server to be much more challenging then playing todays EQ could ever be . One thing that erks me is when people get on here and try to dispute the legality of the Emu . If you dont like it leave and if you are an employee or representative of SOE then by all means visit my site at www.fatesdestiny.com and I will show you where you went wrong. And Kharma that is old and boring news you have brought to these boards. I also run a WoW server along with a PSO server so dont say Blizz snuffed it out because that is like saying the war on drugs has put the use of drugs to an end . WoW emus are just as live and active as the EQemu. And as far as violating the Eula Iwant , ask everyone that plays on my server exactly what the Eula says , I bet you would be surprised !

[kawika]

*listens for a whip to crack after Ranger's and Sakrateri's post*

Yea, what they said! I personally run 5 EQ Live accounts, the reasons I want to have an emu is solely for exploring and when SOE screws up and all the Live servers go down.

[RangerDown]

Bah, just forget it.

We have a policy on warez and backpatcher talk, but it's evidently just toilet paper filler.

As we speak there is a thread here: http://www.eqemulator.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18827
which a mod was informed of, 20 minutes ago. It's still up and alive and kicking. In the past month there have been at least 3 previous ones where somebody blatantly asked about backpatching, and not a thing was done.

This 10,000 character limit on posts really makes it hard to post SQL for people to source in. So if you have a PEQ database and want zone table entries for Luclin and beyond, well... sorry you're out of luck. No, don't PM me for it, I'm not doing that. You should start by PM'ing your forum admins and asking for some changes to be made.

Until then, I've done all I can do. Peace out.

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its not my fault im still internetless at home, for another 2-3 weeks, dont worry RD ill be back soon and start enforcing the rules again.

Donno what happend to the moderators for here, since i havent been around, but ill be back soon!!!

p.s. Thread deleted user banned.

[Windcatcher]

You know, I'm getting tired of this nebulous "intellectual property rights" mantra as if it means anything the vendor wants it do mean. It does not. There are certain rights they have, such as copyright, which means that no one can distribute anything they create without their permission. They also have the right to ensure that people can't duplicate work that is uniquely their creation--this means that a rival could create an MMORPG featuring elves, dwarves, humans, etc., since SOE didn't create those, but creating a new game featuring Erudeans, for instance, would probably be prohibited (just as no one can distribute anything featuring a Disney character--they are creations solely attributable to Disney). Software vendors also have the right that their products not be altered, but they do not have the right that their products not be replaced.

There is no right granted to a vendor that says they can prohibit anyone from creating an add-on to their product, and no law exists that requires obtaining permission from such a vendor. If Edelbrock wants to create aftermarket parts, they do *not* have to obtain permission from Ford, GM, et. al., and any "intellectual property rights" claim from said vendors would be laughed out of court. To the best of my knowledge there is no special provision for software vendors. The reason for this is antitrust law: vendors in the past used anticompetitive techniques to lock in customers and lock out competitors (including potential competitors in the aftermarket area), and antitrust laws were created to bring competition back to the market (any captalist worth his salt knows that capitalism *requires* competition to work properly). So when people start throwing the "intellectual property rights" charge around, beware: there are rights they may wish to have and rights they actually have. The right to deny third-party add-ons isn't one of them.

In the case of EQEmu, the situation is even more clear: it is neither an add-on to their client nor does it alter it in any way. It is a drop-in-replacement for one of SOE's products, one they have never released to the public (strictly speaking, it constitutes competition against SOE and that is definitely protected under antitrust law). At the most SOE might be able to allege a trademark violation (in the sense that MS made Lindows change their name), and if I were running the emu I would have removed the letters "e" and "q" from the emu's name ages ago. This was how Blizzard shut down Freecraft, by the way--purely via a trademark suit against the name, since that was all they could charge (and that, friends, is exactly why I will never buy a Blizzard product again--anyone who would do something that lame and/or despicable deserves not my money).

All this said, if it were Blizzard instead of SOE, I'm sure the emu would have been shut down years ago--not because they might actually win a suit, but simply because Blizzard seems in my opinion to be more apt to play the legal extortion game--"expend your life savings defending yourself from us, or give us what we want." Anti-SLAPP lawsuits only come into play after you've suffered damages in legal fees, and of course there is no guarantee that you'll win (and not all states have anti-SLAPP statutes, though mine sure as hell does).

In the end if SOE wants to shut the emu down I suppose they could play the Blizard game and just issue a C&D nastygram, regardless of its merits. Why they haven't is a mystery to me. I want to think there's someone there who is actually interested in obeying the law rather than using extortion, but with Blizzard's antics nothing anymore surprises me so I can't make that assumption.

[Virus11]

Damn, WoW Emu was fun.