Guild Wars Locked

[Edge Suikendi]

If ops know a way to find exploiters that are obviously doing it, delete them without warning. I'm tired of this AWESOME server going up and down up and down because of the players. LEGIT means legit, they had their warning in the server name.

PS - I don't know sh*t about what ops can or cannot do. :P

[Vermea]

Image, I'll address you first, seeing how you're the most important. Guildwars is the best and most fun server to play on. It's a shame that wherever there is a garauntee of legitamacy, there's always those who try so hard to get around it (perfect example is diablo 2's battle.net). It greatly upsets me to find out that the problem is worse than previously expect. You just take your time and fix what needs fixing and secure everything that needs to be secured.

As for all those who brought this on:
There are PLENTY of other servers to cheat on. You can have any item you want and be as powerful as you can possibly. With all this available to you, why must you bring it to the legit server(s)? I hope you all rot in hell.

This was my first Everquest experience, I never played EQ Live, so I don't know what it's like. But Guildwars was more than what I expected out of Everquest. I was hoping that it would remain that way but people have thrashed and struggled to find ways to cheat and ruined it for everyone on the server, both veterans and newbies alike.

Until all this is worked out, anyone can find me in #guildwars or #voxdei and sometimes #eqemu. Until the server is back up, I bid you all a farewell.

[Trumpcard]

I never logged onto GW myself. but it sounds like Image did an awesome job of proving that the code is now stable enough to support a LEGIT server type.

Good job image ! Sounds like it was a fun server.. Hopefully as we get bugs and exploits ironed out, it will show its face again.

[Vermea]

One more thing to the other admin:

I know image get's most of the credit for most things, but We can't leave the rest of the lackey's out Thanks to you guys who that try to make it a pleasent environment.

Kamikaze: No worries about the whole banning/death thing. I'm sure I did more than provoke you a little Let's just put it behind us, I'm sure everyone else will say the same.

[Nima]

Originally Posted by Slayer02

He maybe does do that on other servers but I know aiden well and he plays fair when he knows he should. Non legit servers are MADE so you can hack, and sometimes it is fun. It sucks though when you join a legit server and then try and cheat your way to the top.

sorry, you got the wrong end of the stick hehe, i didnt mean aidan was settin himself to level 65 or anything i was talking as a generality. On most the servers there is some quick way to get to level 65. I wasn't bitching about it either, I just think it's stupid as hell cos for 1 it basically is cheating and 2 its ruining most of the fun and taking fun away from the game, I like to play properly . Sorry that i caused confusion.

[Nima]

Originally Posted by Edge Suikendi

If ops know a way to find exploiters that are obviously doing it, delete them without warning. I'm tired of this AWESOME server going up and down up and down because of the players. LEGIT means legit, they had their warning in the server name.

PS - I don't know sh*t about what ops can or cannot do. :P

Well a great suggestion is to add maybe a way to snoop players or a way to log commands that players do so when they think something has gone wrong they can trawl through the logs on the server and find out who is abusing them.

Me and my boyfriend code MUD's and if we see someone abusing a bug without reporting; yeah they get deleted without hesitancy. I agree with deleting, but banning (i know you didn't mention it) could be really harsh.

[Edge Suikendi]

Banning is even better, I didn't think about it. IP banning is the best. I don't care how harsh it is, YOU SHOUDLNT HAVE BEEN CHEATING IN THE FIRST PLACE! The more that is to be lost means that more people will think twice about trying anything. Like I said before, if someone exploits and cheats, they are causing a whole servers worth of people headaches, so ban them. If they want to abuse free eq, they can get banned and go pay for it. Thats my view.

[Edgar1898]

Well a great suggestion is to add maybe a way to snoop players or a way to log commands that players do so when they think something has gone wrong they can trawl through the logs on the server and find out who is abusing them.

Hehe logging has been in for a little while. It will log whatever we want it to.

[Vermea]

Nira, I too play MUD's It's always good to find a kindred spirit in the vast empyness of the internet Snooping is a great way for the imms to see what others are doing...but on graphical games, I imagine it would be a little harder to do than on text-based games. It's a great idea, but I'm not sure how possible it would be...or practical for that matter. I'm not bashing you, by the way, I'm just saying I don't know if it's possible.

P.S. What MUD's do you code for/play, i'd love to play a mud of your's some time.

[Nima]

Originally Posted by Vermea

Nira, I too play MUD's It's always good to find a kindred spirit in the vast empyness of the internet Snooping is a great way for the imms to see what others are doing...but on graphical games, I imagine it would be a little harder to do than on text-based games. It's a great idea, but I'm not sure how possible it would be...or practical for that matter. I'm not bashing you, by the way, I'm just saying I don't know if it's possible.

P.S. What MUD's do you code for/play, i'd love to play a mud of your's some time.

heehe my name is nima :P. Anyway edge, on a place like everquest banning would be harsh, depending on what bug your abusing and if its tiny (like gaining some little tiny amount of money) and your char was a high level a simple deleting the char as punishment would work wonders, banning would just gain the persons rebellion in them and cause unwanted things to happen.. which can include with some of the hardcores DoS and annoyance e-mails, etc. It also gives admins a bad name when they use the ban button too frequently (and it also gives you a stigma as those people in question will say "oh you wont like so and so. They LOVE to abuse banning people). There is always going to be bugs, but without people finding those bugs how would you fix them? Banning won't really help things. If you bring yourself across as a no-nonsense person some people would possibly be scared to even report the bugs (fear of being banned). If your character just gets deleted at least you have the chance to still play and it can cause a great deal of embarassment to the person involved (it also works as a warning, next time: REPORT THE BUG OR BE BANNED). It makes you angry but from a logical point of view you don't run a mmorpg business that way (i know this is free but im pointing it out).
Anyway to answer your question Vermea. The shell we had got taken down and we aren't thinking of asking for it back. Me and my bf are thinking about going into the MMORPG business. We coded Savage Wars: Utopia and Cordia Legends. Mostly Pure PK and custom codes .

[Edge Suikendi]

Abusing bugs. As I said in my original post if you find a bug you report it, keep what you found, and leave it along until its fixed. Cheating is cheating to me. Whether its money or exp or something else, if you are getting it in a way you aren't suppose to be getting it, it's cheating. In my opinion there needs to be a "No Bullsh*t" rule so people dont f*ck around. Little cheating can only lead to bigger cheating.

On a side note - I've been playing majormud for around 6 years now. By far the best out there. If you haven't played it goto www.mudcentral.com and pick a board from the free telnet sites. You can pick up megamud at www.megamud.net.

[IAAridaleBelmont]

1st off I love this server. Best emu server there is hands down. Image and Dev and the various others that contribute have done an amazing job thus far and I can not WAIT to log on once this lock is removed and we can start playin again wipe or no wipe.

I wish all you pathetic fucks that had to go be l337 and uber and find all the ways possible to cheat your way into what you could have just got simple man power to do. You know who you are and you know what you did. I hope you realize that the server is locked and none of us can play on our fav server right now all because of you.

Things could have continued the way they were and updates come as updates came and we all continue playing but no... a group of assholes had to sploit theyre ways to 'best players on the server' and cheat theyre way into all the dragon loot and so on and so forth and dont think the devs didnt know what was goin on cause they did.

If I were Image none of you I repeat NONE OF YOU would ever EVER log on to my server again as long as eq emu existed. Theres a good handful of ppl that play(ed) on GW and most of them were good ppl that wouldnt cheat even if they could. But theres always bad eggs. And they always ruin everyone else fun. I swear if I had the power you fucks would be banned from all legit servers so fast your fuckin heads would spin.

Image is a good guy and he works hard and spends lots of time on this server and I hate, for him and for the rest of us, to see it all shit away cause some lil fuckers think they own the place. Good thing for you Image is a much nicer guy than I am cause if I were him your asses would be toasted. He knows who you are or will know when he looks at the chars in the db and more than likely he will allow you to keep playing. If I were him Id allow ya to play just long enough to get a new char to 50 then Id delete it and tell everyone who you are and what you did.

Then Id ban you from the server then chat rooms and the forums and dare you to even try to get back on and let me find out about it. But like I said your lucky Im not Image.

I had a GREAT time on GW better by far than anything I ever had on live in all my 4 years of playin even with all the bugs and drops and the like it was still great. Id almost rather it be straight pvp than gvg but its all good.

If there is another wipe when the server comes unlocked I'll play again just cause I know this wipe was for the best and not the accident of a memory leak. This is a great server and I really really hope everything gets up to par from the devs point of view and we get to play again soon.

[IADaenks]

uhmm my server's Legit... come play there until GW is back up. :^)

-Daenks

[celes9]

::Wonders if Daenek realizes he put red con giant wasps in the felwithe noobie area::

Lesson 14, never assume that giant wasp cons even :)

[Vermea]

Well, I suppose it's time for everyone to just sit back and wait. Image, if you need any help with anything, I, for one, would be MUY HAPPY-O to help. ANYTHING ! But I do ask one favor, every now and then, how about a progress report? Just so everyone can stay filled in Thanks a ton.