US Draft

[Pyrix]

Charmy , you dont even know what ur country is doing.
They said they got photos from ABC-Weapons in Iraq...

Its ur own bloody fault if u admire G B

[DeletedUser]

What those of you need to understand is there are more ways to serve your country than to go to some foreign country to blow a guys head off. War has never worked and the idea of 'serving your country' by becoming a killer is just ridiculous. As if we don't "support" our country enough with all the taxes they throw at us. You have no right to call anyone a pussy because they won't fight for this country (I would hope most people would have the moral that killing is WRONG), it should be our choice not the governments.

[stclairguy]

What most people don't realize is this: We have successfully liberated a very tortured and serioudly supressed nation. Its almost cliche now, but do you not remmeber 9-11? Why did we go to Iraq? If you want to say conspiracy theories and say "We went for oil" or "We went cause of George Bush's Dad" or whatever you want, you are seriously ignorant. Lets look at the facts: We went to this war because of our War on Terrorism. Iraq and Sadam Hussain supported Terrorism, AL Quida, for the biggest example, adn were terrorists themselves. Look what Sadam did to his own people. Second, we went because it is our Duty and Privelage as a God-blessed nation to make sure other countries get to experience the same liberties we have: Life, health, and the pursuit of happiness. Third, it is HONORABLE and a duty to your sworn nation to defend it if asked. America wouldn't be a nation without a war, nor would any country have been successful without war. Reguardless, tehre will always be someone in this world with evil intentions wanting to harm others and take controll of everyone. What is america doing now? TRYING TO PREVENT THAT. You may say this war is evil, but according to our worlds history, and our duty to this world, this war is as important and necessary as even our Revolutionary war. One last comment. I heard this analogy a while ago, adn thought it was very on-topic. "If you point a gun at a bank robber, and he doens't drop his gun, should you leave him alone, or shoot him? You warn him again, and he doesn't do it. Should you shoot him, or leave him alone? You warn him once more, and still he doesn't. You fire, killing the bank robber. Was he not warned to put down the gun? The same happened in Iraq, as we tried to get their cooporation in the weapons inspection, they held on to their gun; and we warned; and last, we fired."

[Hades]

How can you say it should be your choice to fight for your country or not.... i know this will sound stupid to some poeple but seriously no one is forcing you to live here... go move somewhere where you dont have to be drafted or pay taxes see how much fun you have... war is not a good thing but it is necessary sometimes. what is supposed to happen? everyone ignore Iraq and terrorism until a terrorist comes to your house and lights you on fire? i mean wtf... on the other hand i can see people not wanting to kill but you cant expect all the freedom and safety you get without giving anything back.

[DeletedUser]

There are countries that are very prosperous which have no army. If you didn't know, until the early 1900's the United States isolated itself from tending to others problems. Obviously WWI came around and we broke that belief which was held since the late 1700's. I still find the liberation of Iraq questionnable because of the timing. Ok lets say that they did support terrorism, that it was justifyable, the main reason we went into Iraq was because of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Now this just bothers me a bit .... WE DID NOT FIND ANY!!! Bush doesn't give a rats ass about liberating a country, he changed his political stance on Iraq because he knew people would no longer buy into WMD since they couldn't find any. The fact that you are buying into his new political stance is horrible, don't be so gullable.

Honestly this was a personal thing between Bush and Saddam, he just found the perfect excuses to revenge his father. Come on hes just as human as you and I and we all know how popular revenge is. But this is just my opinion, trust me Bush does not have my vote for another term.

Shooting a bank robber? No it is not justifyable unless he is shooting someone else or you. If he is running away and you shoot him and are not a police officer, guess what, they can bring you to court. Why? Your life was not in danger.

[Jezebell]

Originally Posted by image

If he is running away and you shoot him and are not a police officer, guess what, they can bring you to court.

This goes for police officers too, they are not allowed to shoot anyone unless their life or someone elses is in immediate danger. If someone is running away and the cop shoots them that cop is in deep crap.

[Shadow-Wolf]

Originally Posted by stclairguy

as a God-blessed nation."

Ok this comment is just plain ignorant, Did god himself come to you and tell him we were blessed by him(you remind me of that vice president who always said "god bless america and noone else" on head of state)? Thats right he didn't I do love the country i live in but since when did god come to earth saying we are blessed? I am not a real religious nut either(its been awhile years since ive gone to church) but it makes me sick when some one calls u.s blessed by god, you need to realize that everything on this planet is blessed by god(or not for some on this earth do not believe in him).

[romoshi]

I agree that the whole notion about a god blessed nation is a little conceded. Even though I'm a christian I still dont like to look at everything like my God is the only true one because my book says so. Still though as a nation with the power to put a stop to major terrorist activities we should at least try. Also though I think we should either pull out of Iraq or bomb the s*@# out of them as if we dont then they will continue to have radicals who attack us. Bush went a little to far when he declared war on terrorism, since terrorism is not really a tangible thing but an ideal that people follow because of that we'll never win.

[ksmith]

Here is the rationale behind HR 163:
[quote]Congressman Pete Stark January 8, 2003
It is my understanding that out of the 435 Members of this House and the 100 members of the Senate, only one -- only one -- has a child in active military service. Who are we to know the pain of war when we ourselves will not directly bear the brunt of that action? It won

[mwmdragon]

Canadian Point of view.

It's nice to be Canadian except for all the forced french in everything sold... And french in schools... And french in total.
An I appologize for PM Cretien for not backing the USA like he should have right off the start. And I appologize for some of our musical artists (Brian Adams etc)
But one thing I will never take for granted is the ability to know that I will never be drafted into a war I do not believe in.

I know you got hit on Sept 11. I concider that an attack on canada as well as your beloved states. I respect the Old Stars and Stripes more than out crappy Leaf Flag.

When Bush first went to wat agains Bin laden, I was 100% behind him. But now that he just focuses his attention on "Freeing Iraq" how is that going to help get revenge or justice for the towers???

Bush being an Oil Baron (With daddy Bush) just shows his true intention.

The draft bill connot pass. Sure you are defending your country but think about it. The people who are over there now are people who signed up for this job. If they want relief then they are to be relieved by others who have accepted the job.

You can't sign up for a job as a janito and then as soon as they tell you to clean a really Shitty Toilet say, "Hmm, I wanna go home.. You should draft someone who didn't sign up to do this, and make them clean it up". It doesn't work that way. Sending in people who don't want to be there would be just as good as sending in scared children because the result will be the same.

In the end, they should just Ask people (Showing the dire need for soldiers) with commercials, Military TV Shows, Contests, etc. People will step forward before there is a real need for a draft.

What good is a free country, where you can't choose your fights or choose to be peacefull or not.

Canadian Point of View EH !!

[Lasiel]

I won't apologise for Cretiens stance nor should any Canadian. 9/11 was a huge travesty, in which I lost friends whom I miss dearly, but that doesn't mean Canada needed to get involved whatsoever. Our 'big brother' to the S is more than capable of fighting it's own battles, as well as battles they have no right to even be involved in (Iraq, Korea, Vietnam etc).

As for those whom tout the WPD as the reason for invading Iraq? What's next? Pakistan or India? Hell, they're developing nuclear weapons to use on each other, but since there's no real US interests there they'll just let them nuke each other eventually and let the fallout kill anything bordering the 2.

The only time the US forces it's might, since WW2, is when it's interests are threatened. Whether the threats be credible or imagined.

And just to clarify, when I say the US I mean the government, not the people. There's a lot of folks that live stateside I know that share the same POV.

[a_Guest03]

Image, whether we found weapons or not, it was Iraq's job to prove that they were destroyed and to document it. They didn't, so we went fishing. They had ample time.

The UN resolution states that any member state can ask for proof, and when denied, attack in a defensive measure. It has nothing to do with what they have now. It has everything to do with the last war. They didn't end it satisfactorily, and broke the rules of the UN. Thus, we attack.

GWB didn't set the rules of that resolution, so it's not like he just said, "Oh snap! Fux0r teh Irak!", and sent troops. I don't agree that we should've done it, but it's our military's job to protect us, and GWB was acting in a way that protects us.

Is it colonistic? Yes. Is it immoral to kill? I don't think so; killing has its time and its place. But idealism is hard to maintain when you have the responsibility of 600,000,000 lives.

[Ajantiskillshot]

You guys can make fun of me or whatever but i support bush 110%
i think he is a good president and he did what he had to do.
i would be glad to join the army and ship out to iraq to fight a war for my country. You guys can call bush an idiot or a fag or whatever you want to call him but the truth of the matter is he did what was in the best interest for us and i for one respect that.

[Jezebell]

Originally Posted by ajantiskillshot

i think he is a good president and he did what he had to do.

Huh? I hope you mean he did what he was told to do by his cabinet. Because the US had no business going to Iraq.

Originally Posted by ajantiskillshot

he did what was in the best interest for us

Get real here, maybe in the best interest of the US for monetary reasons cause thats what this is all about. This has nothing to do with Saddam being a threat or terrorism.

[m0oni9]

Square: You're talking in circles!
Circle: You're a square!