Login Power~

[Melwin]

Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Actually the fact that minilogin was available on an only GPL authorized site denotes that minilogin.exe was also under this license or that you blatantly violated such said license agreement.
I did not mention loginserver as such as you currently use. I did however mention minilogin which is still documented as being available even though it is not in the available list of downloads. I have 2 versions personally that I downloaded from SF. It would only be fair that either I under the fact it was available that its source was available or that this "new loginserver" mentioned by Wiz would be made available for others like myself who like Lan-party's. I mean the EQEmu team did offer this feature under GPL at one point and that one point in times source should still be available to the public.
Darkwaters

Putting minilogin up for download on SF violates SF's rules, not GPL rules.

The author did not want the source distributed and didn't put it under GPL, and thus the source will not be distributed. End of story.

[Darkwaters]

Um it really did violate both and I'm not getting nasty so don't make me go there with the end of story line Melwin. I'm staying on topic and have not violated any Forum Rules. So please do not take a fatherly tone with me when I did nothing wrong as far as rules, ethics, or attitude go.
Secondly, then what can we do to implement something for local servers or is there a piece of the module that would not give out your login authentification that we could build upon ourselves, this is merely a request, I have not demanded anything.
Keeping it real and not upset. No others should take my posts as such, since their not meant to be taken that way.
Darkwaters

[Darkwaters]

I don't mind a PM answer if you'd like to keep it out of forums. But I would appreciate some type of detailed and kind answer not a slam me in the face type, please.
Darkwaters

[Melwin]

Putting out a minilogin is low priority right now. That's why there isn't one out. The reason the old one is not released is because the author doesn't want it released. That's all there is to it.

I'm free to put "End of story" at the end of the story, by the way, especially when you decide to throw out assumptuous statements like

Originally Posted by Darkwaters

No need to argue it with me, I been in the business to many years to care about opinion, it is fact though.

It's assumptuous, because there was a need to argue: You were completely mistaken.

[Darkwaters]

From CVS as instructed on this website two files are a portion of the CVS code: Loginserver.ini and Loginserver.h

Now that you happen to have this much available the module associated with it should be obtainable or this portion of the application is useless.

/*  EQEMu:  Everquest Server Emulator
    Copyright (C) 2001-2002  EQEMu Development Team (http://eqemu.org)

    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
    the Free Software Foundation; version 2 of the License.

    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY except by those people which sell it, which
	are required to give you total support for your newly bought product;
	without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR
	A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.

    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
    along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
    Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
*/
#ifndef LOGINSERVER_H
#define LOGINSERVER_H

Since this portion of LoginServer.cpp actually connects to another module that does not have available source or under GPL, when is the emulator package becoming OpenSource?

void LoginServer::SendInfo() {
	ServerPacket* pack = new ServerPacket;
	pack->opcode = ServerOP_LSInfo;
	pack->size = sizeof(ServerLSInfo_Struct);
	pack->pBuffer = new uchar[pack->size];
	memset(pack->pBuffer, 0, pack->size);
	ServerLSInfo_Struct* lsi = (ServerLSInfo_Struct*) pack->pBuffer;
	strcpy(lsi->protocolversion, EQEMU_PROTOCOL_VERSION);
	strcpy(lsi->serverversion, CURRENT_VERSION);
	strcpy(lsi->name, net.GetWorldName());
	strcpy(lsi->account, net.GetWorldAccount());
	strcpy(lsi->password, net.GetWorldPassword());
	strcpy(lsi->address, net.GetWorldAddress());
	SendPacket(pack);
	delete pack;
}

void LoginServer::SendStatus() {
	statusupdate_timer->Start();
	ServerPacket* pack = new ServerPacket;
	pack->opcode = ServerOP_LSStatus;
	pack->size = sizeof(ServerLSStatus_Struct);
	pack->pBuffer = new uchar[pack->size];
	memset(pack->pBuffer, 0, pack->size);
	ServerLSStatus_Struct* lss = (ServerLSStatus_Struct*) pack->pBuffer;

	if (net.world_locked)
		lss->status = -2;
	else if (numzones <= 0)
		lss->status = -2;
	else
		lss->status = numplayers;

	lss->num_zones = numzones;
	lss->num_players = numplayers;
	SendPacket(pack);
	delete pack;
}

Just questions that again can be answered via PM or just a friendly response in forum.

Darkwaters

[Darkwaters]

Originally Posted by Melwin

I'm free to put "End of story" at the end of the story, by the way, especially when you decide to throw out assumptuous statements like

It's assumptuous, because there was a need to argue: You were completely mistaken.

I'll give you that Melwin, but its only because it seems to become a natural habit to expect that type of response on this forum. So please disregard that portion.
Again as I stated above I did not state anything rudely, only very curious as it would be a total blast to have a lan party something that I am quite capable of with 6 systems in house on its own network.
I understand that minilogin was and is unavailable but there has to be something made available when the world.exe expects that LoginServer portion of code using LoginServer.ini would have an available "module" to connect too. Since that was minilogin's intent and it was made available why not allow a small team to work on such a project with whatever documentation or code would not harm your own application since we're forced to use something that used to be freely available for Local Usage.
Again I am only curious, you can PM if you'd like and I would stop asking questions if I got that actual answer I am asking for.
When will this be available realistically less than month since it was offered as a free add-on module for local use or can I work with someone to build such a beast, I have the time.
Darkwaters

[Melwin]

I'm not sure if anyone currently has any plans to make a working minilogin, so feel free to make one yourself.

You don't need the loginserver to run world.exe and have zone.exe connect to world. This is why it doesn't violate GPL. GPL has no statement about usability.

[Darkwaters]

Thank you for the answer and it was really all I was asking for. You answered about the GPL and you answered Why and you gave me go ahead to work on it. I again appreciate your response and will work on this as soon as I eat.

PS. No hard feelings for repetitive questions, its a natural habit of mine. =)

Darkwaters

[Edgar1898]

Hmm this is interesting, first off all LE you still didn't answer my closing question, it was a simple one that really had almost nothing to do with the login source, and that one is why is my password sent in plain text to your login server. I don't see any data encryption in any packets being sent to the login server. other than that atleast you gave me a relativley simple answer which was Shut the fuck up we don't want to deal with it, which is fine.

Ask SOE, they wrote the Everquest client, I didnt. The version of the client we use does not encrypt information, if you would use the search button it has been stated numerous times. Deal with what exactly? The WHOLE reason why we arent releasing the code is because the original author doesnt want it released. I dont give a damn what you people think your entitled to, I will respect the wishes of the original author.

[Edgar1898]

Since this portion of LoginServer.cpp actually connects to another module that does not have available source or under GPL, when is the emulator package becoming OpenSource?

The software also runs on Windows, why dont you ask Bill Gates for their source. I mean by your logic something isnt GPL unless it only interacts with things that are GPL. That would mean that any GPL software written for windows isnt GPL, right?

[Derision]

Originally Posted by Edgar1898

I dont give a damn what you people think your entitled to

Amen. I am thankful for what you and all current and former developer's have released. All these 'demands' for the login server source code annoy me no end. They should just be thankful for the thousands of man hours of work that has gone into EQemu that we have got for free, and leave it at that.

[melquiades]

I will respect the wishes of the original author

That's highly respectable. I fully approve.

But now : What were EQEMu's original author's wishes (those who put EQEMu under GPL) ?

Wasn't it to have free software ? (as in FREEDOM, i don't care the h*** if it saves me $12.99 a month on one hand). Freedom, libert

[Darkwaters]

Originally Posted by Derision

Amen. I am thankful for what you and all current and former developer's have released. All these 'demands' for the login server source code annoys me no end. They should just be thankful for the thousands of man hours of work that has gone into EQemu that we have got for free, and leave it at that.

Woah there Derision, you should re-read this thread and then re-check your usage of the word 'demands' in your post. No one demanded anything, we all made inquiries and I personally made a request, but again no demands. So go back to school and learn to read before blatantly attacking what others didn't say if you'd have taken the time to read the posts.

Darkwaters

Darkwaters dont know if you care, but your "holyer then tho" attitude get shot down the second you

So go back to school and learn to read before blatantly attacking what others didn't say if you'd have taken the time to read the posts.

Thats a personal attack, and he didnt even say your name, now why do you feel the need to state how great and uninvolved in the demanding you are then bash someone who may or may not have been talking about you?


This is unprofessional and once again is a prime example of action people are condeming the Devs for doing wile its ok for others to do it.

[Melwin]

This thread sucks and serves no purpose.

The loginserver source will not be released, and the original author of minilogin does not wish for the source to be released.

Thread locked. Arguing is pointless, because it will change nothing.